Discussion in 'Politics' started by Lakhota, Nov 9, 2012.
More: Voters Reject Medicare Cuts Flat Out, Prefer Tax Hikes To Reduce Deficit: Survey
I totally agree! This is the most logical and sane approach.
Proving that a majority of voters are so damn stupid they probably shouldn't be voting.
Someone should tell them now that the election is safely over that Obama gutted 716 billion dollars from Medicare to hide the price of Obamacare. Good luck finding a doctor seniors. Doctor's want to get paid.
Republicans like to talk about America becoming Greece. They should certainly be concerned. For the past 5 years Greece and other European countries have been pursuing the Republican's agenda for "growth", by savagely cutting social programs and gutting the government sector. The result has been an unimaginable economic depression, much worse than anything seen this side of the Atlantic.
Of course voters don't want any of it to be on the table. This is why Republicans must engage in doublethink. They must simultaneously pretend to be protectors of programs like Medicare and social security (like Vel's post above) while also denouncing how government cannot and should not do anything and very openly saying the programs must be dismantled - dismantled to be saved, because 'we cannot afford them.'
Vel ain't too bright...
One of the biggest problems in trying to deal with SS and Medicare is that nobody is willing to sacrifice. That is why I believe the easiest and most logical answer is to raise the retirement age. At some point, everyone is going to have to be honest and deal with this.
I have to agree. However, at present there is a problem to be overcome. It's one thing if the older workers are at desks or work-at-home jobs, but too many are in blue-collar labor jobs - it's too strenuous for them.
Voters are not stupid enough to believe we should cut programs for the poor and elderly while giving tax cuts to the rich, double the military, trillions to Israel(which has government healthcare and generous retirement) while letting big multinational corporations(who pay no taxes) ship American jobs overseas.
Social Security has been tuned and tweaked several times over the years to keep it solvent for new generations, and it will likely need the same many times in the future. It just needs to be done reasonably without the GOP scare tactics.
First of all Social Security is NOT broke.
We need to stop telling ourselves that it is.
However anything involving heath care IS a mess and a potential fiscal disaster.
Clearly we have not yet found the stones to make the dramatic changes we need to really sove this problem.
ACA does NOT address the underlying problems facing us with the HC crises.
In fact, I believe that ACA actually exascerbates that looming problem.
The voters will get reductions in medicare(760 billion dollars) and huge tax increases. I hope they enjoy them.
They will also pay more for medical and more people will die because of it.
of course you do
lol, this is a survey by two PROGRESSIVE groups..
You all know in order to be progressive you have to tax the people
Obama's father supported a 100 percent tax and complete government for the people. These people hate the concept of personal betterment.
No one in Congress wants to deal with the problems with Medicare and SS.
If LBJ hadn't raided SS for the Viet Nam war SS would be fine today. He put it in the General Fund and its been raided by the Clowns in Congress ever since.
They should put it back where it was and it should be untouchable again. Of course thats not going to happen.
Medicare is broke and if anyone believes the Clowns in Congress are going to touch that hot potatoe then they are dreaming.
They will kick it down the road once again for someone else to try and fix.
Of course no progressive want to acknowledge the 760 Billion that was taken out of Medicare to fund that clusterfuck Obamacare.
If anyone thinks that Obamacare is going to make anything cheaper for those of us who actually pay for our HC then they are in for one hell of an eyeopener when that clusterfuck kicks in in 2014.
Now if you only had any human worth at all. Your signature is quite appropriate since you are one of the deadbeats on the dole.
gloat wasn't it, spew shit all over us here was more like it..
lovely threads like, Fuck you Clint Eastwood
Lakhota is a very little person who does no thinking for themselves, thus we get threads like this one
Lakhota is the typical communist peon that thinks the country owes him everything. He hates people that work hard and get ahead.
Your premise is faulty. Voters are stupid enough.
Separate names with a comma.