St. Louis rolls back the minimum wage from $10.00 to $7.70 an hour ??

[Silent Warrior]

The benefits of higher minimum wage tend to benefit the wrong people and have a negative effect over all.

Joe's House of Hash had 5 waitresses. One, Shirley, was alert, attentive, and customer oriented. One, Rosie, was less attentive, took numerous breaks, and ignored customers. Both were paid $2.50 and hour plus tips. Each night Shirley made $20 in wages and averaged $150 in tips. Rosie also made $20 in wages, but her tips averaged $25. The state decided to raise minimum wages to $15 and do away with the wait staff exemption. A short time later Joe was forced to raise his prices a little to make payroll. The customers, because of the amount of publicity of how great the new law was, were aware of the new wage scale and stopped tipping. At that point Shirley, found herself making $120 a shift and she and and the rest of the good waiters and waitresses quit for better jobs. Rosie and those like her loved the new law and declared it was about time. As business suffered Joe was forced to close and lay his remaining staff off. Rosie didn't care as she had been on welfare before and knew she would get almost as much as she had been from her job. Another successful story from the left.

 

[MindWars]

Look for the welfare and food stamp roles to increase, because companies love only paying what they are legally obligated to pay, and do it for as long as they can or until they run out of fools to work for them for little of nothing or until the competition in the American job market returns, and the working class options increase. Who is to say when a company is being unfair or not ?? In a starved job market full of monopolies now, it is so wonder the lobbyist haven't got the wage down to $5.00 an hour.

Who will stand up for the least who are among us, and this when the deck gets stacked against those who are the least among us ???

Who should be the monitor of what is construed or interpreted to be as abusive or not ?? Can the rich be totally trusted to do the right thing always ? Does a rich man's money make him a righteous man, a compassionate man, and a holy man ??? I have seen some eye opening things in my times, and it has opened my eyes concerning many things.

Haaha

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Look for the welfare and food stamp roles to increase, because companies love only paying what they are legally obligated to pay, and do it for as long as they can or until they run out of fools to work for them for little of nothing or until the competition in the American job market returns, and the working class options increase. Who is to say when a company is being unfair or not ?? In a starved job market full of monopolies now, it is so wonder the lobbyist haven't got the wage down to $5.00 an hour.

Who will stand up for the least who are among us, and this when the deck gets stacked against those who are the least among us ???

Who should be the monitor of what is construed or interpreted to be as abusive or not ?? Can the rich be totally trusted to do the right thing always ? Does a rich man's money make him a righteous man, a compassionate man, and a holy man ??? I have seen some eye opening things in my times, and it has opened my eyes concerning many things.

So people who take entry level jobs are fools? Why don't you open your eyes a little wider and read about the economic effects of Communism?

And don't try to shove you religious philosophy down other people's throats...

Social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour, anyway.

. Do these social services become corporate welfare through a subsidizing of their low wage employees for them ??

How much would the subsidy be if these people were unemployed?

. Well, me as a working class taxpayer, don't like the idea of paying to subsidize corporations who use the social net system in order to pay the other half of their labor cost, and especially when they can easily do it themselves. So it's more about them figuring out how to scam the system these companies, instead of them taking care of their part. I remember when it was said that McDonald's corporation (may have been fake news) when hired new employees back in the day, alledgedly would tell the employees also how to sign up for the social services. Kidding me right ?

They are not subsidizing their labor! You are talking like a liberal now!

Show me a job that rates $15.00 an hour and I will show you a job that requires skills. Very few jobs at Walmart require anything of the sort. Stocking shelves and running a register is not a high wage skill.

My brother is an experienced forklift/cherry-picker operator, and he doesn't make that much for a very skilled position.

 

[beagle9]

"Prosperity Through Lower Wages!"

Minimum wage serves no one's benefit but for UAW union members who promptly demand a wage hike.

. And what would that rate hike be for the UAW in as far as raising the minimum wage by states concerning it's diverse job markets and economies ? If raised from say $7.70 per hour to say $ 10.00 dollars an hour, then how does that affect the UAW members ??

Minimum wages are paid to workers with little experience and few skills. In order to attract workers with more experience and skills, employers must pay a premium. So if you raise the minimum wage, the wages of higher skilled workers must go up also. You may think this is just peachy in your utopia, but in the real world this reduces employment and income through automation, inflation and transporting jobs overseas. But it does increase government dependence, which fits nicely with your political agenda.

. Are you just stupid or what ?? I realize that minimum wage is for what you say it is, and that is correct, but you want to give the bad players a pass in which caused all the trouble to begin with. We get tired of the threats that corporations began moving over seas, and doing this and doing that because American workers wanted a continuation of the policies (before NAFTA), that worked for America and her workers. Try not to put your neck to far out there for the corruption that has gone on in it all, because it makes you look stupid or a butt kisser from hell.

 

[beagle9]

So people who take entry level jobs are fools? Why don't you open your eyes a little wider and read about the economic effects of Communism?

And don't try to shove you religious philosophy down other people's throats...

Social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour, anyway.

. Do these social services become corporate welfare through a subsidizing of their low wage employees for them ??

How much would the subsidy be if these people were unemployed?

. Well, me as a working class taxpayer, don't like the idea of paying to subsidize corporations who use the social net system in order to pay the other half of their labor cost, and especially when they can easily do it themselves. So it's more about them figuring out how to scam the system these companies, instead of them taking care of their part. I remember when it was said that McDonald's corporation (may have been fake news) when hired new employees back in the day, alledgedly would tell the employees also how to sign up for the social services. Kidding me right ?

They are not subsidizing their labor! You are talking like a liberal now!

Show me a job that rates $15.00 an hour and I will show you a job that requires skills. Very few jobs at Walmart require anything of the sort. Stocking shelves and running a register is not a high wage skill.

My brother is an experienced forklift/cherry-picker operator, and he doesn't make that much for a very skilled position.

. Ok, then cut the bullcrap of all boats rise together when the CEO's are given complete power over these issues. There are checks and balances needed in most things that involve the temptation of greed. Are you against checks and balances that control man's tendencies to abuse each other ?

 

[beagle9]

The benefits of higher minimum wage tend to benefit the wrong people and have a negative effect over all.

Joe's House of Hash had 5 waitresses. One, Shirley, was alert, attentive, and customer oriented. One, Rosie, was less attentive, took numerous breaks, and ignored customers. Both were paid $2.50 and hour plus tips. Each night Shirley made $20 in wages and averaged $150 in tips. Rosie also made $20 in wages, but her tips averaged $25. The state decided to raise minimum wages to $15 and do away with the wait staff exemption. A short time later Joe was forced to raise his prices a little to make payroll. The customers, because of the amount of publicity of how great the new law was, were aware of the new wage scale and stopped tipping. At that point Shirley, found herself making $120 a shift and she and and the rest of the good waiters and waitresses quit for better jobs. Rosie and those like her loved the new law and declared it was about time. As business suffered Joe was forced to close and lay his remaining staff off. Rosie didn't care as she had been on welfare before and knew she would get almost as much as she had been from her job. Another successful story from the left.

. Good read, but isn't this more about socialism/communism than it is about coming up with a minimum wage that is needed in correlation to the cost of living adjustments ?? So is the idea now just to do away with the federal standard of a minimum wage law, and just let companies run on the honor system ?? Did this work in the past ? Why was the minimum wage created and then implemented at the federal level to begin with ? Are all companies honorable or do they need to be looked in on from time to time ?? You tell me.

 

[Silent Warrior]

Good read, but isn't this more about socialism/communism than it is about coming up with a minimum wage that is needed in correlation to the cost of living adjustments ?? So is the idea now just to do away with the federal standard of a minimum wage law, and just let companies run on the honor system ?? Did this work in the past ? Why was the minimum wage created and then implemented at the federal level to begin with ? Are all companies honorable or do they need to be looked in on from time to time ??

Nope, this is just an explanation of the fallacy of a minimum wage as a correction to economic problems. Those in favor just assume that all companies have the financial ability to absorb an enormous increase in wage expense and most do not. You keep complaining about CEO pay. OK, I agree many CEOs are overpaid. However, that is a decision made by boards and shareholders. You are complaining about the pay of some highly skilled people that frequently do what no one else is able to and your answer is to raise the wages to unskilled workers that can be, and often are after raises in minimum wages, replaced by machines. In answer to your question of why the minimum wage law was created, it was done to buy votes from unskilled people that hope to get an increase in income without having to extend extra effort to earn it.

 

[jwoodie]

Are you just stupid or what ?? I realize that minimum wage is for what you say it is, and that is correct

What??

 

[danielpalos]

The benefits of higher minimum wage tend to benefit the wrong people and have a negative effect over all.

Joe's House of Hash had 5 waitresses. One, Shirley, was alert, attentive, and customer oriented. One, Rosie, was less attentive, took numerous breaks, and ignored customers. Both were paid $2.50 and hour plus tips. Each night Shirley made $20 in wages and averaged $150 in tips. Rosie also made $20 in wages, but her tips averaged $25. The state decided to raise minimum wages to $15 and do away with the wait staff exemption. A short time later Joe was forced to raise his prices a little to make payroll. The customers, because of the amount of publicity of how great the new law was, were aware of the new wage scale and stopped tipping. At that point Shirley, found herself making $120 a shift and she and and the rest of the good waiters and waitresses quit for better jobs. Rosie and those like her loved the new law and declared it was about time. As business suffered Joe was forced to close and lay his remaining staff off. Rosie didn't care as she had been on welfare before and knew she would get almost as much as she had been from her job. Another successful story from the left.

Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages; just the right wing claiming there are, "opportunities everywhere for the poor, if Only, they would try harder"; but, capitalists cannot make like Henry Ford in modern times.

Too many tax breaks and tax holidays?

 

[Silent Warrior]

Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages

Yep, he doubled the wages of skilled workers, not the kind that get minimum wage. Opportunities abound for the poor, but they have to try to improve their skill level to get them. Minimum wage only benefits those that don't want to put forth the effort to improve.

 

[beagle9]

Good read, but isn't this more about socialism/communism than it is about coming up with a minimum wage that is needed in correlation to the cost of living adjustments ?? So is the idea now just to do away with the federal standard of a minimum wage law, and just let companies run on the honor system ?? Did this work in the past ? Why was the minimum wage created and then implemented at the federal level to begin with ? Are all companies honorable or do they need to be looked in on from time to time ??

Nope, this is just an explanation of the fallacy of a minimum wage as a correction to economic problems. Those in favor just assume that all companies have the financial ability to absorb an enormous increase in wage expense and most do not. You keep complaining about CEO pay. OK, I agree many CEOs are overpaid. However, that is a decision made by boards and shareholders. You are complaining about the pay of some highly skilled people that frequently do what no one else is able to and your answer is to raise the wages to unskilled workers that can be, and often are after raises in minimum wages, replaced by machines. In answer to your question of why the minimum wage law was created, it was done to buy votes from unskilled people that hope to get an increase in income without having to extend extra effort to earn it.

. More fake bullcrap dishonest debate tactics you present ? You said I was complaining about CEO's pay ??? Please bring my memory back to me where I was complaining about CEO'S pay in this thread.... All companies need really is to have a responsible pay grade ladder system in which takes an unskilled worker, then trains them to be productive, skilled, loyal, and consistent. The employee needs to start at a minimum wage in which is suitable to the beginners pay scale that is set up by the company for new hires, but doesn't violate the low wage line in which government wants companies to hold in order to keep workers from seeking government assistance in the form of welfare, food stamps, daycare subsidies, and so on and so forth. If Republicans are serious about getting people off government assistance, then they had best address the problem in full. Other than that, it's all just a bunch of bloviating bullcrap that keeps going round and around and around.

 

[beagle9]

Are you just stupid or what ?? I realize that minimum wage is for what you say it is, and that is correct

What??

. What happened to the rest of it ??

 

[2aguy]

Look for the welfare and food stamp roles to increase, because companies love only paying what they are legally obligated to pay, and do it for as long as they can or until they run out of fools to work for them for little of nothing or until the competition in the American job market returns, and the working class options increase. Who is to say when a company is being unfair or not ?? In a starved job market full of monopolies now, it is so wonder the lobbyist haven't got the wage down to $5.00 an hour.

Who will stand up for the least who are among us, and this when the deck gets stacked against those who are the least among us ???

Who should be the monitor of what is construed or interpreted to be as abusive or not ?? Can the rich be totally trusted to do the right thing always ? Does a rich man's money make him a righteous man, a compassionate man, and a holy man ??? I have seen some eye opening things in my times, and it has opened my eyes concerning many things.

Wow...you don't understand economics.....

 

[2aguy]

The conversation around the minimum wage should be the perfect example of this. Currently, 29 of the 50 states have exercised their autonomy and set a minimum wage that is higher than the federal minimum of $7.25 per hour. And dozens of cities have done the same locally. Take Missouri’s deep-red neighbor Nebraska, for example. At $9 per hour it has the highest minimum wage of any neighboring state — yet notably also has the lowest unemployment rate of any neighboring state at 3 percent.

Interestingly, many states with the lowest unemployment rate are states with a higher minimum wage, including lowest-in-the-nation Colorado, with 2.3 percent unemployment and a $9.30-per-hour minimum. At the local level, the city of Seattle — which famously went to a $15-per-hour minimum — is enjoying a 2.9 percent unemployment rate.

Minimum wage, hypocrisy and Gov. Greitens

trickle down does not work, how well we know when Bush Sr had to raise taxes.

He didn't have to raise taxes......and it eventually killed the Reagan economic boom.

 

[beagle9]

Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages

Yep, he doubled the wages of skilled workers, not the kind that get minimum wage. Opportunities abound for the poor, but they have to try to improve their skill level to get them. Minimum wage only benefits those that don't want to put forth the effort to improve.

. What about the workers that do improve, learns skills, becomes key employee's, and then finds that he or she is held back because of the greed that corrupt officials use or administer against them ?? You've heard all the terms used back in the day, in which were terms or buzz words, phrases and such, in which purdy much summed it all up quite nicely for many once they realized what all had went down. The ladder system should be unique to each company or industry, where as there are no two alike. If many companies would have been upstanding players, then government would not have had to step in like it did, but now we have shows like American Greed that reminds us of the bullcrap daily. To all companies that have been run in an upstanding way, and had strengthened American families and American values over the decades "I Solute You".

 

[beagle9]

Look for the welfare and food stamp roles to increase, because companies love only paying what they are legally obligated to pay, and do it for as long as they can or until they run out of fools to work for them for little of nothing or until the competition in the American job market returns, and the working class options increase. Who is to say when a company is being unfair or not ?? In a starved job market full of monopolies now, it is so wonder the lobbyist haven't got the wage down to $5.00 an hour.

Who will stand up for the least who are among us, and this when the deck gets stacked against those who are the least among us ???

Who should be the monitor of what is construed or interpreted to be as abusive or not ?? Can the rich be totally trusted to do the right thing always ? Does a rich man's money make him a righteous man, a compassionate man, and a holy man ??? I have seen some eye opening things in my times, and it has opened my eyes concerning many things.

Wow...you don't understand economics.....

. I understand corruption, and how it kills economies, and how suffering those who would otherwise become great workers and citizens is an evil thing. Promote companies to at the least show that they have a structured pay grade ladder system intact. Maybe we should send out people who grade companies like they do resteraunts, and then apply the grade in the form of a sticker placed upon their front doors in suggesting one of either excellence or one of dishonor.

 

[danielpalos]

Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages

Yep, he doubled the wages of skilled workers, not the kind that get minimum wage. Opportunities abound for the poor, but they have to try to improve their skill level to get them. Minimum wage only benefits those that don't want to put forth the effort to improve.

In this case, social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour, anyway. It is simply more rational to expect people to work for fifteen an hour. Capitalism merely, doesn't make sense to the right wing.