Solve Iran to win Iraq

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    The Real Story

    Saw this on television earlier and i wanted to take a closer look because it was quite and interesting dialogue. This is what I thought was interesting:

     
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    I disagree with the author's premise. If on this very day we had a twenty foot high, twenty foot thick concrete wall with imbedded glass and concerntina wire on top, 2-mile deep minefield, and motion sensors evey 25 yards .....in other words, managed to effectively seal off the Iranian border ... the factional infighting in Iraq would be the same.

    Yes it would be nice to stop AQ from stirring up the pot and supplying men and weapons for thir own nefarious reasons, but they are following their own agenda, hiding behind traditional Arab tribal infighting and a battle for control between the Shia and Sunni.

    Then there's the fact that the author's plan rests on five Arab nations to get together, agree on a plan, and actually do something other than jack the price of oil or cut production.

    Iran and its nuclear ambitions needs to be dealt with in and of itself, and the UN is more likely to act before the Arabs will.
     
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    I don't agree. Iran and also Syria contribute fighters, weapons and money to the instigators in Iraq.
     
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    Look again. I said that. The factional infighting would exist without them.
     
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    No I understood that. But always follow the money and gunpowder. If they had no funding and weapons they'd be like the Palis, tossing rocks at one another.
     
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    Arab tribal feudalism and history suggest otherwise.
     
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    How do you explain that? We agree that they'll always be fighting, but the degree is dependent on the money and weapons given to them.
     
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    They got past rock-throwing during WWI. They'll get their weapons regardless. We can no more stop that than we can enforce our own Southern border.

    Iran and Syria are not the only places weapons and supplies come from. Arabs move in and out fo Arab nations like we move between states. You would have to seal off the entire Iraqi border; which, is not feasible.

    Not for us. We don't know how to seal off a border.
     
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    We know how, we just lack the will!
     
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    We've been able to seal them off before, as in WW2. No one has yet been able to explain to me why we don't do as we've done before: two rows of razor wire 400 yards apart and a free fire zone between. With predator drones, we could even do it with very little manpower.

    I know your answer: we don't have the intestinal fortitude. And I agree.
     

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