Society pays a high price for unwanted pregnancies!

[sydji22]

Abortion must be kept legal - we already pay a huge price for unwanted pregnancies... and that is with abortion legal. Can you imagine how high a price society would pay if abortion was made illegal?

 

[kaz]

Abortion must be kept legal - we already pay a huge price for unwanted pregnancies... and that is with abortion legal. Can you imagine how high a price society would pay if abortion was made illegal?

So you support abortion because of money? If it were cheaper to ban abortions you'd support that? I find that kind of sick.

I support abortion because government guns are no way to enforce morality in a free country.

 

[sydji22]

Money isn't the only price society pays for unwanted pregnancies.
Crime, school systems basically "raising" kids, gangs becoming families for these unwanted kids - and that is just for starters.
Yes, abortion must be kept free in a free society.

 

[kaz]

Money isn't the only price society pays for unwanted pregnancies.
Crime, school systems basically "raising" kids, gangs becoming families for these unwanted kids - and that is just for starters.
Yes, abortion must be kept free in a free society.

Didn't read my post, did you?

Focus...focus...a question.

...If...it were more expensive to have abortion legal, would you support legal abortion?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Society pays a heavy price for stupid people period.

 

[sydji22]

By more expensive - do you mean more expensive than higher taxes because schools have to teach kids that don't want to learn, the cost of prisons, the cost of greater law enforcement.

What is the price society pays for greater crime caused by these unwanted kids.

Ok, I guess if you want a dollar amount - Yes, if a legal abortion cost $400,000 I would still be in favor of keeping it legal.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

By more expensive - do you mean more expensive than higher taxes because schools have to teach kids that don't want to learn, the cost of prisons, the cost of greater law enforcement.

What is the price society pays for greater crime caused by these unwanted kids.

Ok, I guess if you want a dollar amount - Yes, if a legal abortion cost $400,000 I would still be in favor of keeping it legal.

Mighty white of you.

 

[Avatar4321]

Human life has immeasurable worth and value. The worth of a soul is great in the sight of God. So much so that He gave His only begotten Son as a sacrifice to redeem our souls. And He would have done so even if only one person would have accepted that Atonement.

If God thought we were worth enough to sacrifice His Son for our lives, shouldn't the lives of others and especially of our children be worth even more than it currently is?

We can fight to end abortion. And Im not talking about outlawing it. Im talking about working hard to make it so that no one wants an abortion. That all children are welcome and accepted. Fighting just to outlaw it is not the proper path.

 

[kaz]

By more expensive - do you mean more expensive than higher taxes because schools have to teach kids that don't want to learn, the cost of prisons, the cost of greater law enforcement.

What is the price society pays for greater crime caused by these unwanted kids.

Ok, I guess if you want a dollar amount - Yes, if a legal abortion cost $400,000 I would still be in favor of keeping it legal.

Exactly, so money isn't your issue, is it? I support abortion because I support freedom. I don't make nonsense arguments about it like you do that have nothing to do with my position. That was what I was demonstrating.

The left have an issue because you don't support freedom, so when you want to make arguments regarding freedom, you have to come up with tactics like you did. Use arguments that have nothing to do with your view...to justify your view...

 

[kaz]

We can fight to end abortion. And Im not talking about outlawing it. Im talking about working hard to make it so that no one wants an abortion. That all children are welcome and accepted. Fighting just to outlaw it is not the proper path.

Bravo. I support legal abortion, but I've made the argument for a long while that if the two sides would stop arguing over how government should use it's guns to regulate morality and band together to end the need for abortions then they would accomplish so much more for both their objectives.

 

[sydji22]

One more point to make on this is that Abortion laws do not really affect the wealthy and affluent. They will always be able to have an abortion despite whatever the laws are.

So, when talking about abortion laws we are really talking about how the laws affect the poor and middle class.

It is interesting how many people that are unable to raise kids emotionally, intelligently, or financially are being told by the government and community groups that they should continue with the pregnancy even though they may not want to, and know full well that they can't or don't want to raise the child.

Once society realizes that just because people want to have sex doesn't mean they want kids we'll all be better off. We should acknowledge the power of the human sex drive and separate it from a desire to have kids. The sex drive isn't going to go away, and is damn tough to control . . . just look at the catholic priests

 

[kaz]

One more point to make on this is that Abortion laws do not really affect the wealthy and affluent. They will always be able to have an abortion despite whatever the laws are.

So, when talking about abortion laws we are really talking about how the laws affect the poor and middle class.

Wow, liberals can turn any argument into class warfare, can't you? So now it's not money, it's because you support poor people, that's why you support abortion.

It's a lot simpler for me. I support freedom. I don't have positions that belie that view like you, I always support freedom. So I don't have to keep playing the word games you are. Come to the dark side, my friend. Support freedom, support it all the time. And you can then sit down and not need to dance to justify your views.

I support abortion because of money....er....would you believe to support the poor?...er...

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Abortion must be kept legal - we already pay a huge price for unwanted pregnancies... and that is with abortion legal. Can you imagine how high a price society would pay if abortion was made illegal?

I agree abortion should be kept legal, but whether it's legal or illegal really isn't the problem. The problem is the welfare state. As long as we continue to subsidize out of wedlock births, we're going to continue to have far more of them than we otherwise would.

 

[sydji22]

I am not a libertarian, which I think is what you are by all the freedom talk, for this reason.

All of our lives are intertwined in ways we may not realize. You may think you have the right to smoke or get fat - but if my medicare dollars are going to pay for your unhealthy ways when you get older then I need to have a say.

If every man was an island then yes do whatever you want. Until that time comes we need to make decisions for the greater good of the individual and society together.

You are funny - you thought my angle was money - no, it was money, resources, good for society as a whole. Now you think my angle is to support the poor?

 

[sydji22]

I agree, we need to stop paying the welfare mothers. But we also need to acknowledge that they are going to continue to have sex. Alot of sex as it may be the only game they have going for them.

 

[kaz]

IYou may think you have the right to smoke or get fat - but if my medicare dollars are going to pay for your unhealthy ways when you get older then I need to have a say

I see, so now it's not money and it's not class warfare, it's because you forced socialism on us and that becomes an excuse to control what's left of private insurance? Keep talking my friend.

 

[barry1960]

Human life has immeasurable worth and value. The worth of a soul is great in the sight of God. So much so that He gave His only begotten Son as a sacrifice to redeem our souls. And He would have done so even if only one person would have accepted that Atonement.

If God thought we were worth enough to sacrifice His Son for our lives, shouldn't the lives of others and especially of our children be worth even more than it currently is?

We can fight to end abortion. And Im not talking about outlawing it. Im talking about working hard to make it so that no one wants an abortion. That all children are welcome and accepted. Fighting just to outlaw it is not the proper path.

I agree with you. However one problem is that Christians oppose abortion and wish to cut social services to the poor because they don't want to pay higher taxes. So the children are precious until they are born, then they are someone else's problem.

The is particularly true of the Republican party which is supported by the Christian right, one primary issue being abortion. The party signs pledges to not raise taxes, and advocates drastic cuts in social services. IMO, the American Christian right wants to serve God on its own terms. It is more interested in protecting its view of the American way of life than actually reaching out with God's love.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

All of our lives are intertwined in ways we may not realize. You may think you have the right to smoke or get fat - but if my medicare dollars are going to pay for your unhealthy ways when you get older then I need to have a say.

All the more reason to do away with Medicare

If every man was an island then yes do whatever you want. Until that time comes we need to make decisions for the greater good of the individual and society together.

No, we don't need to do that, because this was a country founded on INDIVIDUAL freedom and liberty, not collective. If you want to live in a collective society then go move to Europe. Better yet, Cuba and North Korea are about as collective as it gets. The problem is that you were raised with these misguided beliefs.

 

[kaz]

However one problem is that Christians oppose abortion and wish to cut social services to the poor because they don't want to pay higher taxes

Ironic you criticize people who give their income freely to justify your refusal to fund your own values. Christians think charity is a private function. Government creates dependency because there is no accountability. Your contention that it only counts if government does it is just...lame...

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Society pays a heavy price for stupid people period.

Like those who prefer to CENSOR the discussion.....​

March 13, 2012

Abortion Not Comic​

A Garry Trudeau Doonesbury cartoon strip lampooning Texas legislation on abortion has been pulled by some US newspapers. Several papers are declining to use the strip at all, and others are switching it from the comic section to editorial pages."

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