Socialists trying to disarm the people of Switzerland

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    Leftist/socialists are trying to disarm the last enclave of people who still maintain the right to keep and bear arms.

    The article notes that 300 people die per year from these guns. How many of them are criminals, breaking into a house only to be confronted with an armed owner? Muggers or rapists confronted with an armed victim or person from an adjacent house?

    If the Swiss gave up all those guns, then how many people would be injured or killed per year, by criminals taking advantage of now-helpless victims?

    And why do the leftists want it that way?

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    http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/social...uns_and_bullets.html?siteSect=201&sid=7941744

    Swiss await showdown over guns and bullets

    Under Swiss law all able-bodied men are issued with a rifle and 50 rounds of ammunition.

    Switzerland is preparing for a lively debate this summer over its long-standing tradition of keeping army guns and ammunition at home.

    Opposition to its guns-at-home culture seems to have gained momentum and critics are launching a people's initiative on the issue.

    Attitudes towards firearms may be changing in Switzerland, which is well known for its militia army, strong traditions and liberal gun laws. A recent survey found that two out of three Swiss want to ban army weapons from private households.

    Centre-left political parties and pacifist groups are hoping to build on these signs of public disapproval to force a nationwide vote. They are due to start collecting signatures for a people's initiative from August this year.

    The initiative is calling for army weapons to remain in the barracks, a national gun register, a ban on private individuals buying or owning particularly dangerous guns such as automatic weapons or pump-action shotguns, and tighter controls on those who say they need to carry a firearm.

    Green parliamentarian Jo Lang, who is behind the proposal, argues that keeping an army gun at home is "a major security risk" and that "there are no practical arguments - only ideological ones".

    "Every year about 300 people die from army-issue guns in Switzerland. The majority of cases are suicides, but there are also family tragedies," he told swissinfo.

    Lang has first-hand experience of the dangers of putting a gun in the wrong hands. In 2001 he was in Zug's cantonal parliament when a gunman shot and killed 14 people with a rifle, before turning it on himself.

    "Most people have a gun not because they like it, but because they have to take it home," he said.

    Social problem

    Under Swiss law all able-bodied men are issued with a rifle and 50 rounds of ammunition, which they store at home after completing basic training and can keep after finishing their military service.

    No one knows exactly how many guns are in Switzerland - estimates range from 1.2 to 20 million – partly as the tradition of keeping army guns dates back to the 19th century.

    Gun advocates argue that tighter controls would go against age-old Swiss custom, would not stop crime and would not have prevented massacres like the one in Zug.

    "Every misuse of a weapon is not the fault of the weapon – it's the person behind it; it's a problem of society," said Hermann Suter of the pro-gun lobby group, Pro Tell. "The strategic goal of the initiative is the abolition of the militia army over the next 20 years."

    But for Jean-Pierre Monti, president of the federal police staff association, a vote could have a positive impact: "It is not going to stop suicides or criminal acts, but it could limit them."

    Heading them off...

    Ahead of the launch of the initiative, the Senate on Wednesday debated and rejected an outright ban on storing army weapons at home. But it did pass a motion which would prevent most soldiers from keeping their ammunition in the home.

    The government had earlier come out in favour of a plan to allow only certain troops to take their guns and ammunition home.

    "They're trying to pull the rug out from under our feet as they know our text could be accepted by the people," said Lang, who remains defiant that the initiative will not be withdrawn.

    The Green parliamentarian expects tough discussions over the weeks and months to come, particularly in parliament, which is "dominated by men over 60... hardcore army lobbyists".

    "In Switzerland there was an old saying: 'A man who can't defend himself and his family with a weapon has no honour.' This tradition still exists in certain circles," said Lang. "And they understand an attack on this tradition as an attack on the army itself."


    Sharp end

    So what do those at the sharp end – the soldiers themselves – actually think?

    "I don't see any need to keep weapons at home, but leaving weapons in warehouses will require a lot of money to build up a new system," said Florian Emonet, an army shooting instructor.

    "Keeping a gun at home is a reminder of the Cold War, and is not necessary for instruction or security purposes."

    So what are the practical arguments for keeping a gun at home?

    "The need for instruction so that people can train. But we know that no one is doing it seriously apart from during annual obligatory shooting practice. Most don't shoot with their guns, they just store them somewhere. I'm sure in a few years there will be no more guns at home and things will change."

    swissinfo, Simon Bradley

    KEY FACTS

    Estimations of the number of firearms in circulation in Switzerland range from 1.2 to 20 million.

    Army-issue weapons are said to be involved in the deaths of more than 300 people in Switzerland every year.

    According to Ipsilon Suicide Prevention, 34% of suicides among men are due to firearms, compared with only 3.7% of female suicides.

    In April a survey found that 65.6% of citizens would vote to ban army weapons from the home, 69% were in favour of a national gun register and 37% said a ban on storing army weapons would prevent family tragedies.

    RELATED SITES

    Swiss gun law (German, French, Italian) (http://www.parlament.ch/homepage/do-...ffengesetz.htm )

    Switzerland Without an Army group (http://www.gsoa.ch/gsoa/en/)

    Pro Tell - Swiss gun lobby (http://www.protell.ch/)

    Defence ministry (http://www.vbs.admin.ch/internet/vbs/en/home.html)

    People's initiative against keeping army guns at home (French, German)
    (http://www.protection-armes.ch/fr/index.html)

    swissinfo country profile - defence (/eng/country_profile/detail/Defence.html?siteSect=2605&sid=5246977)
     
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    They must be listening to Hillary and Obama

    If the anti gun nuts have their way only criminals will have the guns and the rest of us are screwed
     
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    There was a reason Adolph Hitler didn't attack Switzerland - and apparently Swiss Libtards want to take away the next Hitler's incentive to not attack their country. Great thinking dumbfucks.

    The Swiss politicians pushing this should be tried for treason.
     
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    You fucking retard. This is ONLY concerning army-issue guns. Jesus christ...read the article before you speak.

    This goes for the other two idiots who commented on this without even reading the article as well.
     
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    Spoken like a true open minded liberal
     
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    I read the article. I've read books on the Swiss militia and how their knowledge of every nook and cranny of the Swiss countryside, along with their military issue rifles, were what ultimately disuaded Hitler from invading.

    Military guns, dumbfuck. Military guns. Do you get it, dumbfuck? Do you fucking get it?

    P.S. Where did I say this did not pertain only to military-issue weapons, dumbfuck? I think that your telling us to read the article before responding, coupled with the fact that you obviously didn't bother to read my reply before responding, is hilarious. You, sir, are a dumbfuck.
     
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    Being a lib - he will never get it

    Libs expect us to use promisies of therapy and understanding to combat crime
     
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    The question is simple
     

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    We know where Libtards stand.

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