Socialism vs capitalism... the grisly truth!

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    Socialism vs. capitalism: Part I

    By Sam Weaver
    9/27/12

    Many commentators — including one prominent "conservative" (i.e., traditionalist) pundit — chastise those on the "far right" who dare to call President Obama a socialist. Make even the slightest hint that you believe our president might harbor Marxist persuasions, and you are quickly branded an intolerant, bigoted zealot unworthy of participation in a free and open society by many of these commentators. If you cannot see it now, I hope that before the end of this article, you will see the irony in this.

    These proselytizing pundits proclaim that there is one and only one definition of socialism; and one and only one definition of Marxism. "Socialism," they insist, "is an economic system under which all means of the production and distribution of goods and services are owned collectively and all goods and services are shared equally among all members of society. Marxism is a step beyond socialism that calls for a violent revolution by the lower and middle classes against the upper class to end all ownership of private property and all distinctions among economic/social/ethnic classes and political influence/power. Barack Obama has never publicly expressed, either by word or by deed, any desire for socialism or Marxism. To claim or even to hint that he has is the height of 'judgmentalism' and/or 'right-wing' paranoia."

    The myopic mavens saying this are the same ones who are always telling you and me that nothing is ever black and white. There are only gray areas — "nuances." "If you want to know the real truth," they plead, "look at the gray areas; hear both sides of every argument and study all the facts." Of course, whenever the facts begin to expose their lies, they proceed to distort, or even to manufacture the facts (or, the "facts").

    Speaking of facts, let's examine a few of them.

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    Socialism vs. capitalism: Part I
     
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    Excellent article. I do hope the libs read this.
     
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    Socialism vs. capitalism: Part II


    By Sam Weaver
    10/4/12

    In Part I of this series, I stated the contemporary "conventional wisdom" definitions of socialism and Marxism. A brief attempt was then made to reveal the true meanings and the modern origins of socialism and communism, and to touch on some of the consequences that societies around the world — including the U.S.A. — have suffered and are suffering as a result of implementing socialism and/or communism. [Much more on this in Part III.]

    In this article, I will state the "conventional wisdom" definition — a la Hegel (indirectly), Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, John Maynard Keynes, John Kenneth Galbraith, et al — of "capitalism." Brief attempts will be made to provide the true meaning of "capitalism" (economic Liberty) and its Source (and sources).

    After reading this article, some readers may come away with a better understanding of and appreciation for what "capitalism" is not. This could be a very good thing. However, my hope and prayer is that this article evokes a greater understanding of and appreciation for what "capitalism" is. Please, please enlighten me if you think I have erred in anything that I have written in this article. I, too, desire a greater understanding of and appreciation for what "capitalism" is and is not! I value your input!

    First, though, a clarification — not to mention a measure of perspective — is in order. [NOTE: Avid readers and dedicated seekers of Truth please click here, here, here and here. (Isn't it amazing how much I have learned about social justice, collectivism and the difference between a column and an article since 2003?) If you scan the four links (here's) above, you may skip the next 3 paragraphs and move forthrightly to the head of the class.]

    A worldview is an individual's comprehensive philosophy of life. There are about as many worldviews as there are human beings on the planet. However, there are four institutions that fundamentally shape every worldview: Religion, Politics, Economics and Science.

    Culture is to a nation (or to a society or region) as worldview is to an individual. A nation is defined by and is united around its religious cosmology, ethic, principles, teachings and customs; its political structure/philosophy; its economic system and its language, arts, architecture, traditions and technologies (i.e., scientific/artistic approach/accomplishments).

    In today's America, there are two dominant and competing cultural worldview philosophies. Both have many names or "labels." The first is the "Anglo-American," the "Judeo-Christian," the "Christian," the "conservative," the "classical liberal" or the "traditionalist" worldview. The second is the "Franco-German," the "secular" (or "secular/atheist"), the "modern liberal" or the "Progressive" worldview. Capitalism is the economic system of the former. Socialism is the politico-economic system of the latter.

    Modern "conventional wisdom" declares that capitalism is an unfair economic system under which the rich get increasingly wealthier and more politically and economically powerful, and the poor just get poorer and evermore politically and economically screwed. Let's analyze just what makes this a dastardly diabolical lie.

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    Brilliant article!

    Why aren't more libs and socialists reading this? Oh, I know..
     
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    The article confuses capitalism with trade and demand/supply economic relationships. Capitalism, contrary to right wing American folklore, has nothing to do with those aspects.

    Capitalism, instead, refers to how economic activity is controlled--in the case of capitalism, it is controlled by wealth. In fact, capitalism is nearly identical (in terms of power concentration and aristocracy) to feudalism.

    Socialist countries, barter economies, and tribal communitarians all work within a supply/demand framework.

    The person that wrote the article referred to in the original thread seems to lack background in economic education.
     
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    BULLSHIT! Unlike Feudalism, Capitalism in a free society, allows for the only real opportunity for the poor to change their circumstances. Do the rich get richer? Sure! But so fucking what! They also incur all the risk. The real lost fact on thinkers like you is that rich people like it when others get rich and invest in more growth. Our nation was built on this model FCOL!

    Socialism assumes a person has no real fair chance of improving their lives on their own and so attempts to make everything "fair". What happens instead is a very top heavy few elitists (who are always very wealthy and living very well) making decisions on how to best distribute wealth and privilege. What you end up with is an oppressed society with mediocre lives and very little motivation to change them.
     
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    Guess nobody likes to argue the truth.
     
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    There is nothing at all in the capitalist dogma that addresses governance. The "freedoms" you speak of only applies to freedom of purchase--and that is, actually, heavily restricted by what capitalists decide to allow in the marketplace.

    As a case in point, modern right wingers love to point to China as a shining example of emerging capitalism; and yet, they are not free, and they never will be under the totalitarian regime they have. They can be, however, capitalist.

    In capitalism, holders of capital (in America, plutocrats) control the means of production. In socialism, workers control the means of production; in the former model, workers are enslaved (they become unmotivated wage slaves as capitalists reduce labor to a mere commodity), and in the latter--well, socialism has never actually emerged on a large national scale anywhere. Humans are generally too selfish to work collectively like that.
     
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    Capitalism is nothing to either trumpet nor denigrate too energetically. It is, after all, merely a system of economics among others. It is not a religion or even an ideology. There is nothing evil about it but intention makes it so. It is not the savior of the world, it is not diabolic.
    There is every gradation and nuance of economic systems available. We only need what works, not what doctrinaires dictate.
     
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