Socialism: Capitalism Without Choices

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    It's a common argument from the left that under capitalism, workers will always be exploited and enslaved by their masters, or "CEOs."

    If that were that case, isn't socialism worse?

    I mean, instead of having many greedy CEOs to chose from, you're stuck with one government. What if that government turns out to be greedy, and begins exploiting it's people? You can't simply "quit" and go work for another government that treats you better.

    I think we can all agree that not all CEOs are evil and greedy. For the sake of this argument, lets say that most of them are. That would still mean that there are some CEOs that are benevolent and giving.

    Under capitalism, workers would have a choice whether or not they want to work for a benevolent CEO, or a greedy one. And if that were the case, wouldn't the greedy CEOs be forced to pay their workers more and treat them better to attract better workers? Obviously, they're competing with the benevolent CEOs; why would anyone want to work for them when someone else is paying them more?

    Hopefully you could all understand my point.

    So, given that, isn't it safe to say that socialism is a worse alternative to capitalism? Because simply but, the people would then be at the mercy of one government.

    What could the people do if that government evolved into a dictatorship? Like what happened in Cuba. At least under capitalism the people have a choice, and aren't stuck working for one CEO (the state). What do you believe?
     
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    Do we have to go "all in?" Why do we have to commit to either one of those economic models?

    Obviously, that's not how it works. In the U.S., for example, a worker cannot afford to spend much time looking for a better job without going into bankruptcy and consequently losing EVERYTHING.

    We are already at the mercy of one government. As an example, Obama and the GOP congress have aggreed to raise taxes on working Americans. If it would have been a Republican president and a Democratic congress, the same thing would have happened. This is a fascist right-wing government that will spend much, much more on the military than on the health care of its citizens.
     
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    good thing all the immigrants who now populate most of America did not know that!!

    See why we say a liberal will be slow, so very very slow?
     
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    So, what do you propose?

    We're living in a mixed economy right now. A little bit of capitalism, and a little bit of socialism. You tell me if it's working or not.

    What is stopping someone from looking for another job while they're still employed??

    That's how I did it, and it worked out fine.
     
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    the capitalist part is working of course, but the socialist part caused the current depression.

    A recession or depression is the time period during which capitalism
    corrects the socialist induced mistakes; in this case the housing bubble mistakes.

    A liberal will quite simply lack the IQ to understand that let alone challenge it.
     
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    Exactly. Liberals for example will blame the greedy banks and insurance companies for paying out bonuses with the billions of dollars of bailout money they received.'

    Conservatives blame the government that had no business giving them the money if the first place.
     
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    too stupid!! the typical liberal changed the subject completely because he lacked the IQ to discuss the subject!! PLease address the subject or admit as a liberal you lack the IQ to do so!! Thanks
     
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    So basically your argument is that socialism is slavery? Bad news, you are the type of person that doesn't know what words mean.



     
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    dear, they had some good medicine in Cuba and the USSR but generally speaking starving 100 million to death is not a good thing!! No health care needed for that 100 million!!

    Can you tell us why our liberals spied for Stalin while he was slowing starving 100 million??
     
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    Socialism is slavery in a way, this is why it has never ever in all of history worked, it has obviously been tried by many tyrants over the course of history as we all know. Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Kim Jong-il to name a few were all socialists. That's the common trait in socialists is that THEY know whats best for everyone else. It will never ever, ever, ever work and just a "little bit of socialism" will never,ever, ever work either. The sooner you and those that share your opinion understand that the sooner we can start rebuilding our country.

    The USDA has created monopolies in the farming industry that produce low quality foods that are genetically modified, covered in pesticides. Thanks USDA!

    The FDA has created monopolies in agriculture as well. They have also created monopolies in healthcare and medicine.

    The FCC has created monopolies in the media and thats how this country remains completely brainwashed.

    The DOT keeps new auto manufacturing companies from starting up and getting into the market to possibly create the most well built safest cars we have ever seen.

    The DOA keeps throwing money at underperforming schools to no avail. I would like to see a voucher system that allows schools to be privately owned. If you look at the success of many charter schools you'll see what I mean.

    The FED is the most tyrannical destructive beast that we have ever seen and one day people will realize this. The scope of their destruction is almost incomprehensible as they have shaped modern day society over the last 100 years.

    People that champion the regulating agencies we have here in the US don't realize that without them our standards will go up regardless of how it's done. Another thing they don't realize is that it is OUR responsibilty as consumers to regulate business. Anytime we give that power away we will get taken advantage of by the same agencies that claim to protect us. No one can protect us except ourselves, that is why when for example lead paint is found in toys it is consumer watchdogs that find it, not the government. You can never just go on autopilot and assume that someone else (the government) is going to look out for your best interest, but you can be sure they will be looking out for theirs.
     

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