Social engineering at its finest?

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    Climate e-mail hackers ‘aimed to maximise harm to Copenhagen summit’ - Times Online
     
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    It is all part of the corporate war on independent science.

    Can't have science interfering with profit now can we?
     
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    amrchaos Pentheus torn apart

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    There are signs that the data was cooked. Also, most of the Data on climate change does seem to come form this group.

    Global warming looks like it is in a slow boil. We have to wait and see what the end conclusions are from the scientific community. By the way, It does not look good for Greens.
     
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    Yeah too bad. Main reason for me is that by reducing carbon we also reduce many other nasty going into our air.

    Mercury from coal power plants for one.
     
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    I share that viewpoint. I can say that climatology is a relatively inexact science; there exist no methods for conducting experiments to test hypotheses and the number of interdependent variables preclude using past data to establish proof. Every computer model is made based on a set of assumptions. Depending on the assumptions, the result of the model will change. A strong bias exists in teh academic community to conform to the "established viewpoint" - anyone who has ever tried to pursue an applied degree within any field sees firsthand evidence of that; nothing is more heinous to "theorists" than applications; in Mathematics applications is things like theoretical physics, in Physics it is engineering theory, in Engineering it is actually building something.
    I would posit that in Climatology the prevailing academic view is that man made global warming must be correct, so anyone not sharing those views will quickly be labeled a crackpot or corporate stooge and dismissed.
    This is not the route to good science, but it is what happens in academia.
     
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    what signs are there that the data was cooked?
    Also, what group has provided "most of the data on climate change?"
     
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    Yep this whole thing may just turn out to be a butt whistle.
     
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    the *loss* of the raw data would be kind of suspicious, IMO. it's their life's work and they toss the raw data and keep the *value added* (their words, not mine) data.
     
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    Perhaps they did not have enough storage space?

    Or maybe it was contractors like with the whitehouse emails that vanished.

    btw I wonder how that contractors business did after he lost all those emails. Did he get fired or more business?
     
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    maybe dick cheney sent haliburton thugs to steal them?

    maybe hitler rose from the dead with goebbels and took them to his secret redoubt in bavaria?

    maybe al gore used them to wallpaper the great room in his new mansion?

    we'll probably never know.
     

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