Social Conservatives and Corporatists.

[Sallow]

as sad as it is, thats pretty accurate.

It's about as accurate as Anthony Wiener's responses to questions about his sexting.

Weiner resigned.

You gonna start a thread on Vitter to ask for his resignation?

 

[Ringel05]

Then you point was what?

That the Constitution does, in spirit and in text, limit the federal government and protect the independence of the states. The history of the development of the document bears this out as well.

But hey, I'm really not interested in trying to convince you. Mostly in comes down to reading comprehension. If you're one of those who reads a modifying clause on the power to tax as 'broad implied power' to do whatever the state decrees to be in the interests of our 'welfare', then there's really not much point in getting into it.

No it doesn't. Not in the way you think. And your dismissive tone basically means your "conviction" in this area is all that strong.

What the Constitution DOES do is limit the power of the government over the INDIVIDUAL. That's something that at almost every term the conservatives are trying to destroy. From the implicit right to privacy to the explicit right to be safe from torture..conservatives weaken and tug out those rights.

It's really something to behold.

And you don't see how the left does the exact same thing only with different issues primarily concerning the 1st and 2nd amendments. Okay. *shakes head in disbelief*
I forget which Founding Father said it but he said, "Our liberties are never in such jeopardy as when congress is in session". There were two opposing parties back when he said it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

So what do you want? An unlimited number of amendments to the Constitution that takes care of the bullshit that Wall Street and it's minion have been pervading upon us?

No, my inference has always been they want 50 independent countries.

No it doesn't. Not in the way you think. And your dismissive tone basically means your "conviction" in this area is all that strong.

What the Constitution DOES do is limit the power of the government over the INDIVIDUAL. That's something that at almost every term the conservatives are trying to destroy. From the implicit right to privacy to the explicit right to be safe from torture..conservatives weaken and tug out those rights.

It's really something to behold.

The poster seems to have wisely conceded the point in post 38 – I’d leave it at that.

 

[rdean]

Meanwhile, back on planet Earth

The 2 main branches of the Democrat Party are the Marxists.

That's not earth. That's just more right wing delusion.

 

[Provocateur]

I'm not pissing in the wind here..I can prove most of my points with news stories, legislation or policy.

I've seen corporatism from the inside out.

And we get a daily barrage of social conservatism from congress and right wing media.

Yeah but way to generalize and stereotypically demonize. Says a lot about you.

Demonize? I think I summed both schools up very nicely in a nutshell.

I see lots of complaining..I don't see one post that pointing to specifics and saying "We don't do that.."

Because, it is a simple troll thread and not worthy of any rational response, which will be ignored by you anyway.

 

[Sallow]

That the Constitution does, in spirit and in text, limit the federal government and protect the independence of the states. The history of the development of the document bears this out as well.

But hey, I'm really not interested in trying to convince you. Mostly in comes down to reading comprehension. If you're one of those who reads a modifying clause on the power to tax as 'broad implied power' to do whatever the state decrees to be in the interests of our 'welfare', then there's really not much point in getting into it.

No it doesn't. Not in the way you think. And your dismissive tone basically means your "conviction" in this area is all that strong.

What the Constitution DOES do is limit the power of the government over the INDIVIDUAL. That's something that at almost every term the conservatives are trying to destroy. From the implicit right to privacy to the explicit right to be safe from torture..conservatives weaken and tug out those rights.

It's really something to behold.

And you don't see how the left does the exact same thing only with different issues primarily concerning the 1st and 2nd amendments. Okay. *shakes head in disbelief*
I forget which Founding Father said it but he said, "Our liberties are never in such jeopardy as when congress is in session". There were two opposing parties back when he said it.

If your asking me to say "My ideology is perfect", well, guess what, it's not. I'm open criticism..and I will make adjustments if your point is valid. It's called "compromise".

That's not what I am seeing from conservatives.

Not at all.

 

[Sallow]

Yeah but way to generalize and stereotypically demonize. Says a lot about you.

Demonize? I think I summed both schools up very nicely in a nutshell.

I see lots of complaining..I don't see one post that pointing to specifics and saying "We don't do that.."

Because, it is a simple troll thread and not worthy of any rational response, which will be ignored by you anyway.

I generally respond to reponses..and generally they are repectful to the poster..if somewhat angry about the post. Unless of course..the post is personally insulting.

I am not trolling.

I am trying to help conservatives understand how Americans, like myself, view them.

There is nothing wrong with opinions that are different. However, radical opinions, left or right, should be challenged.

And in my 50 years on this earth...since the 60s..I have never seen anything like this.

 

[Ringel05]

No it doesn't. Not in the way you think. And your dismissive tone basically means your "conviction" in this area is all that strong.

What the Constitution DOES do is limit the power of the government over the INDIVIDUAL. That's something that at almost every term the conservatives are trying to destroy. From the implicit right to privacy to the explicit right to be safe from torture..conservatives weaken and tug out those rights.

It's really something to behold.

And you don't see how the left does the exact same thing only with different issues primarily concerning the 1st and 2nd amendments. Okay. *shakes head in disbelief*
I forget which Founding Father said it but he said, "Our liberties are never in such jeopardy as when congress is in session". There were two opposing parties back when he said it.

If your asking me to say "My ideology is perfect", well, guess what, it's not. I'm open criticism..and I will make adjustments if your point is valid. It's called "compromise".

That's not what I am seeing from conservatives.

Not at all.

And from their point of view they not seeing it from your side. Interesting, isn't it.
(I guess I'm trying to help Liberals understand how conservatives view them........ yeah right.........)

 

[Dot Com]

Sadly, the social conservatives (many of them- middle to lower classes) follow the corporatist drum-beat to their economic peril. Why? I know why.

 

[Sallow]

And you don't see how the left does the exact same thing only with different issues primarily concerning the 1st and 2nd amendments. Okay. *shakes head in disbelief*
I forget which Founding Father said it but he said, "Our liberties are never in such jeopardy as when congress is in session". There were two opposing parties back when he said it.

If your asking me to say "My ideology is perfect", well, guess what, it's not. I'm open criticism..and I will make adjustments if your point is valid. It's called "compromise".

That's not what I am seeing from conservatives.

Not at all.

And from their point of view they not seeing it from your side. Interesting, isn't it.
(I guess I'm trying to help Liberals understand how conservatives view them........ yeah right.........)

I never had a problem with reasoned conservative viewpoints..heck..I welcome them. I followed William Buckley all the time..and I agreed with him more times then I didn't. I thought Goldwater was an interesting person..and one of my favorite Presidents was Eisenhower. Heck..I thought George HW Bush..and Gerald Ford were, on the whole, fairly good Presidents.

But what we have now is nuts. That's gotta change.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I never had a problem with reasoned conservative viewpoints..heck..I welcome them. I followed William Buckley all the time..and I agreed with him more times then I didn't. I thought Goldwater was an interesting person..and one of my favorite Presidents was Eisenhower. Heck..I thought George HW Bush..and Gerald Ford were, on the whole, fairly good Presidents.

All considered ‘RINOs’ and heretics now. Sad.

 

[Dot Com]

If your asking me to say "My ideology is perfect", well, guess what, it's not. I'm open criticism..and I will make adjustments if your point is valid. It's called "compromise".

That's not what I am seeing from conservatives.

Not at all.

And from their point of view they not seeing it from your side. Interesting, isn't it.
(I guess I'm trying to help Liberals understand how conservatives view them........ yeah right.........)

I never had a problem with reasoned conservative viewpoints..heck..I welcome them. I followed William Buckley all the time..and I agreed with him more times then I didn't. I thought Goldwater was an interesting person..and one of my favorite Presidents was Eisenhower. Heck..I thought George HW Bush..and Gerald Ford were, on the whole, fairly good Presidents.

But what we have now is nuts. That's gotta change.

I also took Buckley seriously. Is it any wonder his son resigned from The Standard seeing the intellectual wasteland it had become after his fathers passing. The Right/status quo doesn't appeal to intellectuals anymore for good reason.

 

[dblack]

What the Constitution DOES do is limit the power of the government over the INDIVIDUAL. That's something that at almost every term the conservatives are trying to destroy. From the implicit right to privacy to the explicit right to be safe from torture..conservatives weaken and tug out those rights.

It's really something to behold.

Yep. Along with their buddies on the other side of the aisle, it's quite a tag team.

 

[Sallow]

What the Constitution DOES do is limit the power of the government over the INDIVIDUAL. That's something that at almost every term the conservatives are trying to destroy. From the implicit right to privacy to the explicit right to be safe from torture..conservatives weaken and tug out those rights.

It's really something to behold.

Yep. Along with their buddies on the other side of the aisle, it's quite a tag team.

Be specific. I am not saying your wrong. I just want details.

To be sure..I vote democratic not because I entirely agree with the agenda.

But because it's more in line with what I believe then the other guys. And it sorta sucks.

 

[bripat9643]

Please don't assign meaning to my OP. The goal of the Corporatist in the long run is the elimination of Capitalism and the formation of Monopolies.

That's hardly free trade.

So we're supposed to believe that you're a supporter of capitalism?

You're serious?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The two main branches of the current Republican Party seem to be made up of 2 camps. The Social Conservatives and the Corporatists.

The Agenda of the Social Conservatives seems to be:
-Have the state force a woman to bring each and every fetus to term regardless of how it was conceived, the risk to the mother's life, or whether there exists financial support to raise the child.
-Include the Christian Church in governance.
-Eliminate or reduce the influence of cultures outside the Anglo-Saxon realm in this country.
-Immediately deport any non-citizen.
-Close off immigration, entirely.
-Impose a singular definition of marriage..and that being a man and women..preferably of the same race.
-Remove any laws regarding the ownership of firearms.
-Hold a foreign policy that essentially recognizes that every other nation should be subservient to the United States. The US should be feared..not respected.
-That the rich are wealthy because divinity made it so. They should rule the nation as well.
-The government in general should only be responsible for keeping and maintaining the military..as well as upholding Christian Anglo Saxon culture.
-That the United States is a Conferacy of States. States hold supremacy over the Federal government.
-Eliminate or curtail the right to vote.
-Eliminate all public education.
-Eliminate Science.
-Eliminate all art that does not glorify Christianity.
-Make each and every crime subject to life imprisonment or execution.
-Promote legislation that squelches any speech that does not fit the agenda of Social Conservativism.
-Taxes are evil and ungodly.

The Agenda of Corporatists seem to be:
-The government exists to protect the interests of corporate entities.
-Revenue should be derived in large part through government contracts, loans, tax breaks and give backs.
-Regulation of any sort is unprofitable and should never be imposed.
-Risk is to be managed by the tax payer. Profit is private.
-Voting is counter productive to the Plutocracy..and should be curtailed.
-Unions should be completely eliminated. No laws regarding employment, employee safety, and wages should be implemented.
-The Federal Bank serves no useful purpose. It should be the Financial and banking industry that controls the value of currency and interest rates.
-Profit should be the sole domain of executives, with some going to shareholders..who can be screwed at any time.
-It should be the realm of corporations to determine whether or not their products are safe. Buyer beware.
-The government exists essentially as an extention of the Corporatists.
-The military-industrial complex is a wonderful source of revenue and wars should be encouraged.

And when you combine the to..or mix and match..it's easy to understand the Conservatives and today's Republican party.

Can you explain the difference between corporarism and unionism?

 

[Steelplate]

Please don't assign meaning to my OP. The goal of the Corporatist in the long run is the elimination of Capitalism and the formation of Monopolies.

That's hardly free trade.

So we're supposed to believe that you're a supporter of capitalism?

You're serious?

Yes... you should. But not the kind of Capitalism that you think is valid.

Let me ask... would you want Socialists to take over the country... Not Obama, or whoever you think "MAY" be Socialistic... but real Socialists... Die hards? No, you wouldn't.

Why should you think that we should support supposed "Capitalists" that just want to control everything and eliminate all competitors by any means necessary... even if it means outsourcing jobs of everyday people who need that employment?

It's pretty obvious where you think the line of Socialism is drawn.. but where is that same line of Capitalism? Let me guess.... you don't have one.

 

[bripat9643]

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

This doesn’t mean what many understand it to mean.

What do you think it means? I'm certain your answer will be hilarious

That the Constitution does, in spirit and in text, limit the federal government and protect the independence of the states. The history of the development of the document bears this out as well.

Supreme Court case law does not, however.

The Supreme Court is populated by hand picked toadies. The judges are employees of the federal government. The idea that they could serve as an impartial arbiter in disputes between the states and the federal government is too absurd for words.

 

[Sallow]

Please don't assign meaning to my OP. The goal of the Corporatist in the long run is the elimination of Capitalism and the formation of Monopolies.

That's hardly free trade.

So we're supposed to believe that you're a supporter of capitalism?

You're serious?

Are you serious?

Capitalism without competition is no longer Capitalism.

Did you know that?

Economics 101.

 

[Sallow]

Can you explain the difference between corporarism and unionism?

Sure.

Unions want a fair and equitable relationship between labor and management.

Corporatists want to kill people in Unions.