Sleeping Giant: Turkey

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    Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan is now leading a country that has become a world power and a possible power player in reforming the Middle East, as Turkey has many powerful ties to other Middle-Eastern countries that can enable it to have a strong hand reform. Especially with its economy growing as the rest of the world struggles, Turkey has become a power that many did not expect and one that needs to be given attention. We seem to have overlooked Turkey’s actual power until now, after its recent election; however, we did try to push the “Turkish Model’ for other Middle-Eastern countries, who thought Turkey much too utilitarian. Now, though, these countries may just have to listen to Turkey’s ideas for reform, as they are struggling too much with their own problems (Egypt and its upcoming election, Saudi Arabia with oil prices and the countries surrounding it, Israel) and will most likely fall under Turkey’s influence as it gains more power with Erdogan in his third term. The U.S. would do well to strengthen its relationship with Turkey even more in the coming years, especially now that Turkey is the most powerful and prosperous Muslim country.
     
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    Many countries are working in concert to destroy the American Hegemony over the Middle East. Some of these countries wish to expand their borders and control. Turkey is one of those countries. Iran is another. Others are attempting to hold onto what they have. The Saudi wish to maintain. Israel would like Judea and Samaria and Egypt would like to remove the smell of dung that emanates all over the living area. Running water would be nice.

    Time will tell. After seeing what Turkey has done to the Armenian Christians and their land and now what they do to the Kurds it is clear that they have no wish to expatiate their genocide of the Christian Armenians and will do the same to the Kurds once the gloves are off.
     
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    America's involvement in this issue could seriously strain its relationship with Turkey, threatening its influence in the Middle East. Turkey is a valuable ally in Middle-Eastern reform; however, this is not the only issue. Turkey's government seems to be moving toward radical Islam, so while maintaining a good relationship could have positive outcomes regarding the Middle East, it could also be dangerous. In order to accomplish what it wants, the U.S. may have to perform a precarious balancing act in its friendship with Turkey in order to do what is moral and good for it's people and to accomplish it's goals and maintain its power.
     
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    Both are walking a tighter line with each other regardless of the genocide issue. Obama is far more willing to discuss and pretend that issue is not important. The Islamic shift is clear. All one has to do is look at the streets of Turkey twenty years ago in comparison to the present and it is clear.

    Turkey's balance had better be damned good. I have traveled to Turkey many times in the late seventies and early eighties. I would not want to go there anymore. Erdogan is a smart man. He protects the minorities at the moment, but ....
     
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    Where Turkey goes and how tightly Ergodan holds the reins will be an issue that Obama cannot ignore if he wants to maintain America's hegemony over the Middle East, which, though American influence is not desirable, may very well be needed for Middle Eastern reform. Turkey is a dangerous ally, but a necessary one. What is important is that good relations are kept as long as Obama stays wary of Erdogan.
     
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    I have been to a Turkey a few times stopping in and out when I was in the Military, I also would not want to go there again. I don't like this Islamic turn they are taking and this whole Flotilla business is just a huge fraud.
     
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    Again, Turkey will most likely have to be another ally that the U.S. cannot completely trust.
     
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    Like another Pakistan but to a lesser degree, Turks aren't launching attacks on our Military bases there yet. I honestly can't think of 1 Muslim country the US can completely trust and that is sad.
     
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    And Turkey has a long past of their own proof. Not only the Armenians. Research the Turkish Ottoman Empire to see how they were for how they will be.

    BBC - Religions - Islam and the Turkish-Ottoman Empire (1301-1922)

    I say keep an eye on them and I put forwards that Turkey will need to walk that line more than America. Some keep saying that America needs to ....

    I say Turkey needs to....

    Completely?

    How about hardly at all? That's where I go.
     
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    Indeed, none of the Arab countries in the Middle East like the Turks because of the Ottoman Empire. Turkey needs to be watched because of their history of genocide against the Armenians and what they are currently doing now to the Kurds.
     

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