Skinheads, Neo-Nazis and the EDL

[ScreamingEagle]

Actually, YOUR bias (or ignorance) is showing...

did you listen to the EDL video i posted.....? What is it you disagree with....?

the end of his speech where he says "stay peaceful".....?

Peaceful? About a week ago they burned down a Somali community center because Somali Muslims and other Muslim groups use it. Yahoo! News UK & Ireland - Latest World News & UK News Headlines

BTW, peaceful protesters don't need to wear masks to cover their identities.

uh....where does it show the EDL graffiti.....? where is the proof that the EDL did it even if someone wrote EDL on the wall somewhere or whatever....? if in fact the EDL did do it why would they identify themselves as the ones who did it...? that'd be pretty stupid... But nobody knows who really did it.....the article says the incident is still under investigation....

the counter-protests to the EDL marches are what seem to be causing all the violence...

fyi.....and this is a FACT..... Islamic thugs have already been sentenced about 20 years for attempting to kill EDL members.....their attack weapons included guns, knives, machetes, shotguns, and different bombs including nail bombs...how's THAT for "peaceful".....? and you wonder why the EDL members wear masks....

ps....you never answered my question as to what you object to in Tommy's speech....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcpHR8Lrnd8]Tommy Robinson speaks at EDL Demo in Luton - YouTube[/ame]

 

[PredFan]

Simply because Stormfront approves of them doesn't mean that they are the same as Stormfront.

 

[numan]

Just take a look at the following:

Finnish Airforce Sign 1918 - 1945:

Ah, Bleipriester, does that give you a frisson of nostalgia and forbidden pleasure?

I am sure you will like this even more!!

I hope having it in your computer will not get you thrown into a concentration camp. · ·

The swastika means "good luck" (su-asti) and is far older and more widespread than the johnny-come-lately vulgar Nazis and their böhmischer Gefreiter.

I find it a pleasing design, and I wish You-Know-Who had not spoiled it for the world.

I prefer the version opposite to the Nazi hakenkreutz

to represent the Sun's deasil motion across the sky.

The Nazi version is withershins -- though in the Southern Hemisphere it would represent the Sun's motion across the sky, from right to left.

("Deasil" and "withershins" were the terms used to describe, respectively, "clockwise" and "anti-clockwise" before there were clocks)

Anyway, I presume the Finns, as well as many other people in the world use the symbol to represent "good-luck".
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[Saigon]

Simply because Stormfront approves of them doesn't mean that they are the same as Stormfront.

OK...so what does Stormfront support that is not related to fascism?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Simply because Stormfront approves of them doesn't mean that they are the same as Stormfront.

OK...so what does Stormfront support that is not related to fascism?

so what....?

i'm sure you agree that Stormfront supports opposition to the UAF (United Against Fascism)....
yet others can also be against the UAF too.....however that does not equate them to Stormfront.....you cannot paint them with the brush of fascism just because the socialist group UAF has a name that proclaims itself against fascism...there can be other reasons...

the EDL is against both the UAF (because it caters to PC idiocy) and Stormfront (because it is racist)...

 

[Saigon]

Eagle -

Yes, there are other reasons, obviously.

Many of the members of the EDL are open about being fascists. Photographs of EDL marches show images of swastikas. Many commentators have commented on the fascist links to the movement, some of which I posted earlier.

Clearly a number of posters on this forum support this group - but for some reason refuse to admit that you have fascist sympathies. Why is that?

 

[Political Junky]

Eagle -

Yes, there are other reasons, obviously.

Many of the members of the EDL are open about being fascists. Photographs of EDL marches show images of swastikas. Many commentators have commented on the fascist links to the movement, some of which I posted earlier.

Clearly a number of posters on this forum support this group - but for some reason refuse to admit that you have fascist sympathies. Why is that?

Excellent question.

 

[Esmeralda]

Eagle -

Yes, there are other reasons, obviously.

Many of the members of the EDL are open about being fascists. Photographs of EDL marches show images of swastikas. Many commentators have commented on the fascist links to the movement, some of which I posted earlier.

Clearly a number of posters on this forum support this group - but for some reason refuse to admit that you have fascist sympathies. Why is that?

Excellent question.

It certainly is.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Given that fascism is a right wing philosophy - then no, I don't find that curious.

What makes it "right wing," sparky? Would it be the state control of the means of production? The centrally planned economy? The autocratic rule? The repression of individualism?

You leftists are a bit like Humpty Dumpty - words mean whatever you chose them to mean at any given moment.

What I do find curious is the number of posters here keen to associate themselves with a movement their parents fought a war to stop.

The real Nazis are closely aligned with Islam - as is the radical left. Terry Nichols learned bomb making from an Al Qaeda training camp (The partner of Tim McVeigh.) Elohim City (AB) is up to their neck in ties to Hamas.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The dogs return to their vomit.

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Then you'll be gone soon.

 

[Saigon]

What makes it "right wing," sparky?

The fact that it is a capitalist system which sought to benefit the rich through the upwards flow of capital, and the fact that fascism celebrated class and sought to deepen class divisions. Both are the polar opposite of left-wing ideology.

Plus, they rounded up socialists and put them in prisons, of course.

words mean whatever you chose them to mean at any given moment.

Then check the term in a dictionary, and use it accordingly.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The fact that it is a capitalist system which sought to benefit the rich through the upwards flow of capital,

That's not a fact, that's what is known as a fabrication.

You've never read Mussolini, and you rely on radical left sources to create your impressions.

and the fact that fascism celebrated class and sought to deepen class divisions. Both are the polar opposite of left-wing ideology.

Fascists were CAPITALISTS? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA - what stupidity. Mussolini divided the economy into sections, which he granted to what were called "corporations," but these were not limited liability entities, they were state controlled and directed bureaus. Competition was illegal, the corporation producing shoes was the only source of shoes. Anyone attempting to create a competing product was shot. That ain't "capitalism," sparky.

Further, it is you Bolsheviks who are obsessed with "class," and your hatred of the middle class as the source of all woes.

Mussolini held two, and only two classes - the Fascisti, and the others. You are making up a fiction that supports your prejudice - which is utterly contrary to the facts.

A few actual facts;

• Mussolini came from complete poverty
• Mussolini was a Bolshevik
• Dissatisfaction with Lenin after his imprisonment in Switzerland lead Mussolini to splinter away from the main Communist movement
• Fascism is based up Marxism

I should have added "Hitler is irrelevant to Fascism."

Plus, they rounded up socialists and put them in prisons, of course.

So did Stalin - so you must demand that the USSR wasn't a Socialist empire?

Then check the term in a dictionary, and use it accordingly.

What are the features of "right wing?"

 

[Saigon]

Uncensored -

words mean whatever you chose them to mean at any given moment.

Definition of fascism
noun
[mass noun]

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices: this is yet another example of health fascism in action

Definition of fascism in Oxford Dictionaries (British & World English)

 

[GHook93]

Yep all Neo-Nazi organizations have a Jewish division!

Nice try loser! neg


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[irosie91]

there is LOTS of confusion in this thread regarding NAZISM in the USA---
vs NAZISM in Great Britain. ------I got credentials. I began
reading AMERICAN NAZI literature as a child more than 50 years ago---
because I grew up in a USA town---founded PRE-REVOLUTIONARY
war---with a core population of WHITER THAN WHITE wasps---
some descendants of german farmers---etc. Until the mid 1950s ---
my town was absolutely RESTRICTED. There was old and
current nazi pamphlets and periodicals all over the place. Nazi
in the USA meant ----and as far as I know (I am not all that current
now) still means ANTI BLACK AND ANTI JEW-----and ------(be
not shocked) PRO -ARAB-----PRO MUSLIM

My encounter with nazism of the Brits came more toward 1970---
when I got to know lots of pakistanis-----which inspired me to
write my SOCIOLOGY OF MINORITIES----paper on
PAKI BASHING. Do not be confused----until recently most
american nazis did not know a muslim from a hindu and did not
care-----they liked ARABS (be not shocked---for american
nazis and anthropologists ---arabs IS WHITE)----arabs hate
jews so for american nazis-----THAT's a good thing, In those
days----a large part of the AMERICAN NAZI propaganda --
was being written in Syria and Egypt---by escaped nazi war
criminals ----several of whom were converts to islam. That
specific propaganda forms the core of "ANTI ZIONIST"
propaganda taught thruout the Ummah. (pakistani muslims
learn to quote it chapter and verse) Attempts to
equate the EDL-----with american nazism ----is silly------there
may be some common ground in their befuddled heads---but
they are not the same. Just as HINDU NATIONALISM is
nothing like american nazism

I will summaraze some important concepts----
american nazis do not have a "brown" or a "wog"
-----unless things have changed drastically----they got
a JOOOO and a N^##er The brits got----
too many immigrants from southeast asia and northern
africa (brown???) Try not to confuse yourselves,
posters

 

[irosie91]

Eagle -

Yes, there are other reasons, obviously.

Many of the members of the EDL are open about being fascists. Photographs of EDL marches show images of swastikas. Many commentators have commented on the fascist links to the movement, some of which I posted earlier.

Clearly a number of posters on this forum support this group - but for some reason refuse to admit that you have fascist sympathies. Why is that?

Gee I have noticed that some posters are so deranged that they cannot
admit that PANCASILA is a fascist ideology. Some people actually believe
that GERMAN NAZISM (supremacy of the 'aryan race")
is the only form of fascism in the world ---
of course I am also guilty of "semantics" -----for example----I often
describe disgusting fascist idelogies like PANCASILA as "nazi"
it is a kind of short hand way of describing -----what it is "like"

For those unacquainted with PANCASILA----it is ---very simply ----
an elaboration of the PACT OF OMAR ---It provides for islamic
supremacy---over those communities deemed acceptable
for "existence" in an islamic society. Originally----the
acceptable for existence were----jews and christians and very
early on-----ZOROASTRIANS too. With the moghul caliphate---
for practical reasons HINDUS had to be deemed ----acceptable---
In time Zoroastrians got disenfranchised in Iran----they were ok
in BAGHDAD of old. NOW the acceptable unter-menschen
are HINDUS, BUDDHISTS, CONFUSCIANISTS, PROTESTANTS
and CATHOLICS--- ( I think I got that right-----I am so glad
that jews are excluded from the filth--------there was a deluded person
who described a "jewish community" in Indonesia ----in fact
they are not real citizens----they have to carry a "christian" card--
and consist of some 10 -20 people) I once read that in german
nazism ----the POLES were not scheduled for extermination------
they were slated to be an enslaved labor force-----once the world
was cleansed of jews and gypsies

 

[Uncensored2008]

Definition of fascism
noun
[mass noun]

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices: this is yet another example of health fascism in action

Definition of fascism in Oxford Dictionaries (British & World English)

Yawn.

Webster is as usual, far more accurate;

{often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition }

That academia bastardized the word in no way alters the facts. There is nothing even slightly "right wing" about Fascism. It is authoritarian all right, with a strictly controlled economy centrally planned by the state. How exactly is that "right wing?"

The individual subverted for the good of the state - the classic definition of LEFTISM.

 

[irosie91]

from uncensored WEBSTER

FASCISM

{often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition }



Yes-----daniel webster wins again------however----that leftist "individual
serving the state" LEFTIST? in fascist states----the
MAJORITY of the individuals also serve the state and the
ELITE -----the only NON SERVERS OF THE STATE----
are the FASCIST RULERS The AYATOILETS are fascist
rulers. The ROYALS OF SAUDI ARABIA are fascist rulers--
the hindu residents are slaves

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Eagle -

Yes, there are other reasons, obviously.

Many of the members of the EDL are open about being fascists. Photographs of EDL marches show images of swastikas. Many commentators have commented on the fascist links to the movement, some of which I posted earlier.

Clearly a number of posters on this forum support this group - but for some reason refuse to admit that you have fascist sympathies. Why is that?

i do not have facist sympathies.....neither does the EDL leadership....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHoCknluSgk]EDL - Tommy Robinson at his best! 1/3 "islamism and nazism are opposites side of the same coin" - YouTube[/ame]

 

[irosie91]

Eagle -

Yes, there are other reasons, obviously.

Many of the members of the EDL are open about being fascists. Photographs of EDL marches show images of swastikas. Many commentators have commented on the fascist links to the movement, some of which I posted earlier.

Clearly a number of posters on this forum support this group - but for some reason refuse to admit that you have fascist sympathies. Why is that?

i do not have facist sympathies.....neither does the EDL leadership....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHoCknluSgk]EDL - Tommy Robinson at his best! 1/3 "islamism and nazism are opposites side of the same coin" - YouTube[/ame]

So far there have been a few EDL members that lunched with
writers of "STORMFRONT"------For those of us with extensive knowlege
of the literature of the american nazi party------the fact that ISLAMICISM
is highly regarded within that literature-----is well known. For some reason
there are people willing to be convinced that AMERICAN WHITE SUPREMACISM --
somehow excludes muslims-----because muslims are considered
"BROWN" by the brits. For your own safety----never tell an
ARAB------that he is a "black" ---avoid saying such a thing to a
pakistani or indian muslim and MOST OF ALL ---NEVER TO AN IRANIAN

Of course there are black muslims in the world-----but try not
to invite both an Iranian and a black muslim to the same
luncheon party------seating might become difficult. Some of
our posters are confused on this issue-. For those interested
in POPULATION GENETICS----it is true that real "arab" populations---
ie----those in or from arabia-----do carry LOTS of genetic link to sub-
saharan peoples-----but that is the outcome of thousands of years
being in the BUSINESS of the slave trade. The dictum regarding
humans is-----if there is proximity------GENES MIX

For those still confused-----the fact that lots of subsaharan gene material
has crept into the gene pool of "arabs" of arabia-----does not make
NIGERIANS and SAUDI ARABIAN BEDOUINS "the same
people"