CDZ Should these be a right for every American citizen?

[M14 Shooter]

You, along with the government, can make anything a right.

If you have it because someone - especially the government - gives it to you, it's not a right.
So... no.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I guess it just depends on what you mean by a "right". It sounds like you guys are just thinking of rights as "something government provides".

And thus, the difference between rights, entitlements, and priviledges.

 

[Donald H]

Which only means Canadians do not know the difference between rights, entitlements, and priviledges.

The difference between what Americans consider rights and what Canadians consider rights are covered under the peculiarities of fascism.

https://www.bremertonschools.org/cms/lib/WA01001541/Centricity/Domain/222/Fourteen%20Defining%20Characteristics%20of%20Fascism%20slides.pdf

 

[M14 Shooter]

The difference between what Americans consider rights and what Canadians consider rights are covered under the peculiarities of fascism.

Nope. It's due to the fact Canadians do not know the difference between rights, entitlements, and priviledges.

 

[dblack]

The difference between what Americans consider rights and what Canadians consider rights are covered under the peculiarities of fascism.

https://www.bremertonschools.org/cms/lib/WA01001541/Centricity/Domain/222/Fourteen%20Defining%20Characteristics%20of%20Fascism%20slides.pdf

Huh? Didn't see anything in the pdf that related to the difference between what Americans and Canadians consider rights.

 

[Donald H]

I guess it just depends on what you mean by a "right". It sounds like you guys are just thinking of rights as "something government provides".

Government both provides rights and takes away rights. It does so under cover of your Constitution. No other body other than a branch of government has the power or the authority.

 

[dblack]

Government both provides rights and takes away rights. It does so under cover of your Constitution. No other body other than a branch of government has the power or the authority.

It sounds like you guys are just thinking of rights as "something government provides".

 

[Donald H]

Canadians see entitlements and privileges as rights.
They're all granted to citizens by government.
Are there really any exceptions that couldn't be decided by some branch of government if it became necessary?

Fascists turn a blind eye toward the stripping away of rights.

https://www.bremertonschools.org/cms/lib/WA01001541/Centricity/Domain/222/Fourteen%20Defining%20Characteristics%20of%20Fascism%20slides.pdf

#2. Disregard for Human rights.
look the other way.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Government both provides rights and takes away rights.

If the government gives it to you, its a privilege or entitlement.
The government derives its power from the rights of the people; the government cannot give the people a right they do not already have,.

 

[dblack]

Canadians see entitlements and privileges as rights.
They're all granted to citizens by government.
Are there really any exceptions that couldn't be decided by some branch of government if it became necessary?

Not sure what you're getting at here.

Fascists turn a blind eye toward the stripping away of rights.

True. But they mostly target civil liberties, cracking down on actual freedoms (what I'm calling rights). Fascists can actually be pretty "generous" when it comes government providing entitlements and privileges. That kind of dependency gives them more control over people.

 

[Flash]

Yeah, but you can't find starving people as easily as the government can.

Let's face it, you're not a friend of Jesus.

The reason is because i am not looking at large welfare voting blocks to give my money away to.

Jesus was not a friend of the Roman government.

 

[Donald H]

Not sure what you're getting at here.

True. But they mostly target civil liberties, cracking down on actual freedoms (what I'm calling rights). Fascists can actually be pretty "generous" when it comes government providing entitlements and privileges.

That's an interesting concept you've introduced as a credit to fascism. What particular entitlements and privileges did you have in mind?

 

[dblack]

That's an interesting concept you've introduced as a credit to fascism. What particular entitlements and privileges did you have in mind?

None in particular. Just noting that fascists aren't necessarily opposed to the welfare state. It can be a valuable tool in controlling a population.

Fascism was a right-wing anti-capitalist movement | Aeon Ideas

Fascism wasn’t just racism. When other parties offered people little help, fascists built substantial social welfare

aeon.co

 

[Donald H]

None in particular. Just noting that fascists aren't necessarily opposed to the welfare state. It can be a valuable tool in controlling a population.

Fascism was a right-wing anti-capitalist movement | Aeon Ideas

Fascism wasn’t just racism. When other parties offered people little help, fascists built substantial social welfare

aeon.co

You're crediting fascism as being supportive of the 'welfare' state in particular. The ideals of the 'welfare state' are widely known to be socialist, which is directly opposed by fascism.

There's no form of government that hasn't provided welfare to the people in some form or to some degree. Even fascism can be said to be 'not opposed' to some form of 'welfare' granted to the people. That's hardly making any case that fascism can be credited with socialist ideals!

Do you have anything else with which you can praise fascism?

I say 'praise' because I support that which you call the 'welfare state'. To me it refers to 'socialism' within a capitalist system such as Canada's.

 

[dblack]

You're crediting fascism as being supportive of the 'welfare' state in particular. The ideals of the 'welfare state' are widely known to be socialist, which is directly opposed by fascism.

There's no form of government that hasn't provided welfare to the people in some form or to some degree. Even fascism can be said to be 'not opposed' to some form of 'welfare' granted to the people. That's hardly making any case that fascism can be credited with socialist ideals!

Do you have anything else with which you can praise fascism?

WTF? I'm not praising fascism. You made some incoherent and tangential point about fascism attacking "rights". Since you define "rights" as entitlements and privileges, I was merely making the point that fascism can actually be very supportive of entitlements and privileges. So how do you see fascism attacking rights? To be clear, I agree that fascism is antithetical to rights. But "rights", to me, are freedoms, not entitlements and privileges.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Do you have anything else with which you can praise fascism?

He wasn't praising facsism.
Try harder.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Reagan was silly, wasn’t he?
Don’t get me wrong…business owners worship Reagan.

Carter forced a lot of businesses under....anyone would have been a huge improvement

 

[Donald H]

WTF? I'm not praising fascism. You made some incoherent and tangential point about fascism attacking "rights". Since you define "rights" as entitlements and privileges, I was merely making the point that fascism can actually be very supportive of entitlements and privileges. So how do you see fascism attacking rights? To be clear, I agree that fascism is antithetical to rights.

So you're praising fascism for being supportive of entitlements and privileges. What can I say? Fascism most certainly affords people the entitlement to discriminate against the skin colour or the religion of others.

But "rights", to me, are freedoms, not entitlements and privileges.

And on that we disagree.

To me rights, freedoms, privileges, and entitlements can mean the same thing. Revisit the link of fascism and determine for me if there is any ideals you can't be somewhat supportive of.

Are there any that I can't take and fit to Trump's agenda in some way?

 

[M14 Shooter]

To me rights, freedoms, privileges, and entitlements can mean the same thing.

Because you do not understand the difference between rights, privileges, and entitlements.

 

[dblack]

So you're praising fascism for being supportive of entitlements and privileges. What can I say?

You can say, "I'm sorry, I was mistaken."

I'm not praising fascism for being supportive of entitlements and privileges. They only do it to control people. I think it's a horrible practice.

Fascism most certainly affords people the entitlement to discriminate against the skin colour or the religion of others.

And on that we disagree.

What? You're so confusing, or confused. What are you saying we disagree on?

To me rights, freedoms, privileges, and entitlements can mean the same thing.

That's fine. To me, they don't. That's why we have different words for them.

Revisit the link of fascism and determine for me if there is any ideals you can't be somewhat supportive of.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Are there any that I can't take and fit to Trump's agenda in some way?

Many of them.

You seem to be presuming that I support fascism and Trump. I don't know where you got that idea, but you're wrong on both counts.