Separation of Church and State

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    I've heard on the radio that this bill is the morally responsible thing to do and for that reason it should be done. This actually violates what the founders intended to be separation of church and state. I believe that they thought that society could regulate itself through its own religion or religions that happen to be running through society. This is why they said that the ten commandments should be our guide and at the same time say that the state should stay out of the religious affairs of the people as in separation of church and state.

    If you take a closer look at their philosophy of government it was that the state should not rule over the people. That role was for the people through their own conscience and moral restraint that they chose for themselves. The state was to protect certain aspects of the people's lives such as one's own life. The rest was to be done by the people as they chose for themselves and religion, morality, and self-restraint was to do the rest.

    Religion existed completely within the private sphere but the private sphere was to create its own rules on how society should function. This alone should be good enough but not everyone is capable of living safely with others so the public sphere could interject by protecting the people from those things. It never could restrain the people since that violate the concept of self-governance.
     
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    ^^^Don't sweat it man. See my 4th amendment thread. Thats the way out. How Obama Inc missed that one I don't know, but I can't wait for lawsuit $$$.
     
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    I heard the same thing from one of the Congress people. A person stating a personal opinion is not the same thing as the federal government mandating what religion is to be followed by penalty of law. There is no violation of the First Amendment here.
     
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    I actually meant that for all aspects of our lives not just for this health care bill. What right does the state have to force anyone to adhere to some moral principle that goes beyond someone elses concept of morality.

    Christian morality tells us that homosexuality is wrong but PC is somehow able to supercede that and tell christians that they can't believe that? Isn't that a violation of my freedom of religion?
     
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    i really wish the O/P would stop pretending she knows anything about the constitution.

    she really should stop. :cuckoo:
     
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    I wish you could actually put up an intelligent debate instead of insulting other people. Its fun when you put your points out and discuss things as rational human beings. You should try that sometime.
     
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    but is morality automatically tied to religion?
     
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    Until and unless the federal government tells you who, what, and why you are to worship in a mandated manner, the argument of political correctness in a societal sense is moot, in regards to the actual law of the land. To my knowledge, Congress has made no law mandating any such thing. A member of Congress, the President, and any other government official is allowed to state their opinion, moral or otherwise via the First Amendment.

    I don't agree with many things the government employees have been doing. Be that as it may, I cannot support your supposition that the First Amendment has been violated.
     
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    No but most of the time it is.
     
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    Political Correctness operates from the authority of the political process itself. Its why they call it political process and not religious correctness or world of warcraft correctness.
     

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