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  1. APassion4Change
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    Hello

    I am a passionate individual hungry for a better world and view major problems in our current economic system, namely its reliance on consumption.

    However I came across a trully shocking video and am wondering where it lies within those whom are technically aware of the economy and how it works.

    Item Pending: The federal reserve

    Question: Does this Video speak the truth or nonsense about it.

    Research: from what I have seen, it is dead on and trully shocking.

    YouTube - Zeitgeist - The Movie: Federal Reserve (Part 1 of 5) All the way to 3.

    I cannot post links but if you search that you will find it instantly, its only a very short 20 minute movie, all three first parts included.

    Thats part one, it gets really intense in part two, the beggining is slow compared to the rest, part 2 and 3 is where I am interested in knowing the most about.

    With care and Political discipline.

    Bye 4 now!
     
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    I saw those videos.

    If you want the 411 on the Federal Reserve, what it does, who does it, it's history and so forth, let me suggest the following

    "Secrets of the Temple", by William Greider​

    [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Temple-Federal-Reserve-Country/dp/0671675567"]Amazon.com: Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country: William Greider: Books[/ame]​

    Now this won't tickle anyone's conspiracy theory bone.

    But it tells you essantially what the video tells you, only without the conspiracy hysteria thrown in. (If you read it, and understand it, that'll be scary enough, believe me)

    Yes, the Fed is a privately owned Bank with truly enormous power.

    Yes, it was originally capitalized by foreign banks and with foreign money.

    Yes, money is basically an agreed upon delusion of value, too.

    Yes, the economic system we have in place puts banks and bankers in the catbird seat.

    Now, before you call for tearing down that Federal banking system, consider that you're going to have to replace it with something unless you're prepared to take our nation back into an agrigarian economic system circa the 1700s.

    I know I'm not ready to scratch the dirt and trade my turnips for what I need down at the local market.

    Are you?
     
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    You are correct to be very concerned about an economy dependent on consumption. Especially when it comes to consuming things that are unneccessary. People MUST be taught not to be satisfied with what they have and told they need more and newer.
    Those bent on stopping pollution and energy consumption should have one simple message. Don't buy anything other than what is really essential and make do with as little as you can.
     
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    I won't ague with that, but consumption is not really relevant to the issue of the Federal Reserve Bank.

    If you really want to understand the issue of specie and power, read the book I suggested.

    You will know more about FED than the majority of people sitting in Congress if you do.
     
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    A book I enjoyed even more ...

    [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Creature-Jekyll-Island-Federal-Reserve/dp/0912986212/ref=pd_sim_b_3]Amazon.com: The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve: G. Edward Griffin: Books[/ame]

    Griffin does a fine job of tying historical geopolitical events to financial events (and how the latter influences the former). But it also provides an in-depth overview of the Federal Reserve and the history of money.

    Brian
     
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    True ---a couple of different topics but it will be nice if a few people knew what we are up against economically AND politically.
     
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    Hear hear.

    I have both books. The Creature from Jekyll island is easy, fascinating reading. Secrets of the Temple is...rather dry, in fact I never finished reading it. I would especially recommend Creature to my left-wing friends; it's one of those books that makes you go "ah ha!" and then "why isn't this THE #1 issue amongst liberals??"
     
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    My friends and Fellow bringers of change.

    What could replace the federal bank??? There was something that exist prior to it that worked suffice to satisfy the needs of the nation of America, therefore there can be again.

    This is logical?

    How important is this subject and it seems that when you consider the strength of the internation bankers, the owners of the Feds, capacity to bring the economy to its own interests - I feel scared. This is surely a cause for major major worry. The depression will then happen again like it did before, especially when the system does not alot these wealthy beasts and brutes with the power they need, then they will call in all their chips and fuck us in the ass, like the 1930's.

    Is this claim illogical?

    It seems like it isnt and considering that most people in the Americas know nothing about the way the monetary system works, the system that we alot our efforts to bring food into our bellies and fill our needs, it causes me to believe that there is a cover up and intentional smoke screen, aimed at what i could only imagine would be power gathering, which would put us in the hot seat towards a deep depression again.

    Is this fine and rational?
     
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    A few years back I wrote an article for The Constitutionalist entitled PREDATORS. Following is an excerpt from the article:
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    William Greider, in his book Secrets of the Temple, a work that considers how the Federal Reserve Corporation "runs the country", related how "corporate raiders" are financed by the Federal Reserve Corporation. He wrote about how:

    "T. Boone Pickens goes after Unocal. Carl Icahn raids Uniroyal. Capital Cities swallow ABC and General Electric grabs RCA. Ivan Boesky becomes a household name. Instead of the noble function of capital formation, investment bankers were preoccupied by this game of sharks. The stories of high-stakes combat over corporate ownership were no longer exciting once they became commonplace. While corporate raiders talked righteously about defending stockholders against slothful corporate managers, the fundamental force that motivated most of these "deals" was a direct result of the changed economic world the Fed had created — real assets languished and financial assets soared. The aim of the corporate manipulations was to extract capital invested in a company's less profitable real assets, its factories and buildings, so the wealth could be redeployed in the financial assets that offered much higher returns. This was accomplished partly by cannibalizing a company, selling off various parts and taking the cash, and by putting the company deeper into debt — borrowing now against future earnings. Though the techniques differed, the process of recapitalization under way in the eighties was in essence no different from the financial manipulations by J. P. Morgan and his contemporaries early in the century or the speculative stock-market games that financiers played in the 1920's. Nearly every player profited immediately, from the stockholders who got a higher price for their shares to the investment bankers who collected handsome fees for brokering the deals. The potential losers were mostly in the future — when the weakened corporation, saddled with more debt than it could sustain, failed."

    He wrote that the larger corporations are not allowed to fail; the Federal Reserve Corporation would not let them fail. "The risk would be born by others, including U.S. taxpayers." Some of these predators have had their hand slapped by the federal government, fined a few million dollars, spent a few months in "summer camp", and then allowed to go free to enjoy millions left untouched that they had pilfered from the various communities through their "junk bond" deals. Our history has recorded the devastations that they have created; homeless people; jobless people; foreclosures; and etc.; while they play their monopoly games, for real.
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    Do you recall, anyone, the name of the congressman who reported, while in office, that the FED had indeed engineered the Great Depression, in order to consolidate power (by buying up failed banks, which is set up to fail, via manipulation of inflation)? There was an official congressional report to the effect, but it went about as far as Kerry's report on CIA drug dealing...which is to say, nowhere, despite the piles of evidence.

    Ya, the FED needs to go. We did fine without it. It ONLY exists, to secure wealth for the elite. Nothing else. It is theft in motion.
     

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