Scientific Creationism?

[abu afak]

So, you believe if one murders someone that that individual gets away scot-free? So, you believe that if a person lies, cheats, and steals that person does not reap what he sows? So, you believe that if a child curses his parents and doesn't listen to them and uses them, there are no lifetime repercussions? If there is really no God and the reason we exist hinges on random chance ----- then there is a very great opportunity to get away with it (as it were).

What a Dishonest or Obtuse remark.
As if god/dog, and Only YOUR god, is the source of morality.
People of Other religions and no religion have morality and had it before the Bible.

I however, see that most things happen for a reason. People and nations DO reap what they sow.

One can get people angry/Criminal can go to jail.. BUT .. Bad things happen to good people just as often.
Believing in god doesn't save you from crime or disease.

The next rationalization is that there is absolutely NO proof that biological life just happened.
One must believe it was either created or it was brought here; however, scientists have not been able to create a Frankenstein monster from pre-existing various body parts ----- so much less any living single celled organism with water, silica, minerals, and electricity.
NOW, evolution accepting scientists working day and night for well over one hundred years have not been able to concoct any biological life from inert materials. These are not stupid people to say the least! These are thinking individuals who know what makes life remain alive!!! Mother Nature doesn't possess a brain. Time doesn't rationalize.

DOH!
Evolution does NOT deal with the opening spark of life. That's separate and called "abiogenesis." Abiogenesis - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Evolution deals with, and has Extensive evidence For, all changes thereafter. That body of evidence (intermediate species, etc) Grows yearly both in Fossil remains and in new sciences like Isotopic dating, DNA, etc.

So, we have smart individuals who feel that they are too sophisticated to believe that there can be a Creator, yet they themselves have no clue and dish out theory after theory that they themselves cannot substantiate. And so when a Christian says that there is a God and that God reveals Himself through nature, the written Word, historical data, reward & punishment, Christ Jesus, and the lives of the saints ---- these same skeptics say ---------- "But there isn't any proof!" I have to laugh out loud. God does use the simple to make the wise into fools. And that is just additional proof of GOD.

There is NO evidence of god.
And btw, WHICH/WITCH god? ?
since even most believers don't believe in Yours.
So most believers are necessarily Wrong even in the unlikely event one is right.
The only OBVIOUS Truth is that man created god/godS. LOTS of them.
Every culture has at least one!
If you were born in Bombay, you'd be a Hindu
Karachi, a Muslim,
Tel Aviv, a Jew
etc
Religion is a geographical/cultural Accident of Birth, NOT any discernible truth.

Because you are a deluded religionist, your posts are necessarily FULL of wrong premises and easily shot down.
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[Darkwind]

Good, those are suggestions. Can you offer evidence how they influenced gradual evolution?

Meteoric collision/atmospheric change speaks for itself. As for extraterrestrial intervention, there is the same amount of evidence as there is for a trilobite gradually evolving into another species.

No, there is not. There is literally zero evidence for ET intervention. There is a LOT of study on specie divergence.

The basic misunderstanding here is that lack of evidence or holes in a particular theory DO NOT lend credence unto a competing theory. A theory must stand on its own evidence.

Your theory that creationism is not science does not stand on it own, in case you missed the irony of your post.

 

[JakeStarkey]

There is no evidence for scientific creationism as a science, in case any of you have missed the point.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We on the school board used to hate go through the sessions with the creationists whining during open comment. How much worthy would have the time been worth in taking care of the poor and ill then whining to us about whether Adam and Eve rode on the backs of dinosaurs. They were always allowed to have comparative religion or humanities liberal arts classes.

 

[chikenwing]

We on the school board used to hate go through the sessions with the creationists whining during open comment. How much worthy would have the time been worth in taking care of the poor and ill then whining to us about whether Adam and Eve rode on the backs of dinosaurs. They were always allowed to have comparative religion or humanities liberal arts classes.

That must have been sooo hard for you.

 

[chikenwing]

Only a closed mind would think that there isn't room for both .

 

[Hollie]

Good, those are suggestions. Can you offer evidence how they influenced gradual evolution?

Meteoric collision/atmospheric change speaks for itself. As for extraterrestrial intervention, there is the same amount of evidence as there is for a trilobite gradually evolving into another species.

No, there is not. There is literally zero evidence for ET intervention. There is a LOT of study on specie divergence.

The basic misunderstanding here is that lack of evidence or holes in a particular theory DO NOT lend credence unto a competing theory. A theory must stand on its own evidence.

Your theory that creationism is not science does not stand on it own, in case you missed the irony of your post.

ID'iot creationism is not science. It's really that simple.

The fact is, while it may offend your religious sensibilities, the personal beliefs of religionists regarding the biological sciences is not at issue. It’s the strength of the theory and the volume of evidence that extremist Christians take issue with. The theory of evolution has only been better supported and confirmed as the methods of scientific testing have become more exacting. It's remarkable to see the time and effort ID'iot creationists spend attacking Charles Darwin as a cover for their wholly inadequate appeals to gawds and supernaturalism.

Invoking religious fundamentalism to attack science, which actually does privide answers to the natural world is fine as a matter of religious faith. But in science, there is no allowance for making appeals to divine intervention by partisan gawds. Miracles of religion are not allowed for science to remain science. Miracles are not verifiable, testable or falsifiable. They are not repeatable, they do not conform to any laws of nature, and they’re not even understandable. Science can never confirm the magic of gawds. They are not a matter for science. Science looks for testable and repeatable observations in nature that can be explained without appeals to gawds. Once you have used a miracle as an explanation, you have left the realm of science, and you’re simply waving the magic wand of religion.

 

[Hollie]

Only a closed mind would think that there isn't room for both .

Men in robes with big funny hats, waving canisters of incense aren't curing disease, increasing crop yields, solving the questions of existence or exploring the universe.

 

[chikenwing]

Only a closed mind would think that there isn't room for both .

Men in robes with big funny hats, waving canisters of incense aren't curing disease, increasing crop yields, solving the questions of existence or exploring the universe.

Like I said only a closed mind would discount what isn't known.

 

[Hollie]

Only a closed mind would think that there isn't room for both .

Men in robes with big funny hats, waving canisters of incense aren't curing disease, increasing crop yields, solving the questions of existence or exploring the universe.

Like I said only a closed mind would discount what isn't known.

An open mind understands that your culturally / geographically correct gawds are simply regurgitations of earlier gawds, long since discarded as mere myth and legend.

Do you discount invisible pink unicorns?

 

[JakeStarkey]

We made room, of course, for both. Like I said above, they could have their creationism and ID in the liberal art, humanity, and comparative religious classes. Since it is not science, it was not going to be in the science classroom.

 

[chikenwing]

Only a closed mind would think that there isn't room for both .

Men in robes with big funny hats, waving canisters of incense aren't curing disease, increasing crop yields, solving the questions of existence or exploring the universe.

Like I said only a closed mind would discount what isn't known.

An open mind understands that your culturally / geographically correct gawds are simply regurgitations of earlier gawds, long since discarded as mere myth and legend.

Do you discount invisible pink unicorns?

Are you 12 years old?
So what beyond any question,positive proof happens when you die?
People experiencing out of body occurrences ,how do you without question explain them,without question?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Only a closed mind would think that there isn't room for both .

Men in robes with big funny hats, waving canisters of incense aren't curing disease, increasing crop yields, solving the questions of existence or exploring the universe.

Like I said only a closed mind would discount what isn't known.

An open mind understands that your culturally / geographically correct gawds are simply regurgitations of earlier gawds, long since discarded as mere myth and legend.

Do you discount invisible pink unicorns?

Are you 12 years old?
So what beyond any question,positive proof happens when you die?
People experiencing out of body occurrences ,how do you without question explain them,without question?

Are you an adult who thinks logically? That is for a paranormal classroom, for a metaphysics classroom, etc., it is not for a biology classroom.

And here was the appropriate answer to you, that you skipped: "We made room, of course, for both. Like I said above, they could have their creationism and ID in the liberal art, humanity, and comparative religious classes. Since it is not science, it was not going to be in the science classroom."

 

[chikenwing]

Only a closed mind would think that there isn't room for both .

Men in robes with big funny hats, waving canisters of incense aren't curing disease, increasing crop yields, solving the questions of existence or exploring the universe.

Like I said only a closed mind would discount what isn't known.

An open mind understands that your culturally / geographically correct gawds are simply regurgitations of earlier gawds, long since discarded as mere myth and legend.

Do you discount invisible pink unicorns?

Are you 12 years old?
So what beyond any question,positive proof happens when you die?
People experiencing out of body occurrences ,how do you without question explain them,without question?

Are you an adult who thinks logically? That is for a paranormal classroom, for a metaphysics classroom, etc., it is not for a biology classroom.

And here was the appropriate answer to you, that you skipped: "We made room, of course, for both. Like I said above, they could have their creationism and ID in the liberal art, humanity, and comparative religious classes. Since it is not science, it was not going to be in the science classroom."

LOL coming from you that's a complement,there facky,See this is where people like yourself depart from reality and try and create your own,having no real proof one way or the other,and there isn't any,you insist that things must be your way,when you have no proof ether way,your logic is well lacking.
A closed mind rejects even the unknown,because its an unknown and baffles them.

 

[Hollie]

Only a closed mind would think that there isn't room for both .

Men in robes with big funny hats, waving canisters of incense aren't curing disease, increasing crop yields, solving the questions of existence or exploring the universe.

Like I said only a closed mind would discount what isn't known.

An open mind understands that your culturally / geographically correct gawds are simply regurgitations of earlier gawds, long since discarded as mere myth and legend.

Do you discount invisible pink unicorns?

Are you 12 years old?
So what beyond any question,positive proof happens when you die?
People experiencing out of body occurrences ,how do you without question explain them,without question?

So-called out of body experiences can be explained by the brain being starved for oxygen, blood chemistry being unbalanced, thus causing the brain to skew perception.

If you believe one or more of the gawds did it, submit your evidence for one or more of the gawds being extant.

 

[jwoodie]

Just as Seven Day Creation should not be taken literally, neither should gradual "evolution" of species be accepted with little or no evidence in the archeological record to support it.

It is pretty pathetic when the best you Darwin worshipers can come up with is to compare your theories with the Straw Man of a 7 day/6,000 year old Creation.

 

[chikenwing]

Only a closed mind would think that there isn't room for both .

Men in robes with big funny hats, waving canisters of incense aren't curing disease, increasing crop yields, solving the questions of existence or exploring the universe.

Like I said only a closed mind would discount what isn't known.

An open mind understands that your culturally / geographically correct gawds are simply regurgitations of earlier gawds, long since discarded as mere myth and legend.

Do you discount invisible pink unicorns?

Are you 12 years old?
So what beyond any question,positive proof happens when you die?
People experiencing out of body occurrences ,how do you without question explain them,without question?

So-called out of body experiences can be explained by the brain being starved for oxygen, blood chemistry being unbalanced, thus causing the brain to skew perception.

If you believe one or more of the gawds did it, submit your evidence for one or more of the gawds being extant.

You submit nothing but speculation,but nice try,once again .
So-called out of body experiences can be explained by the brain being starved for oxygen, blood chemistry being unbalanced, thus causing the brain to skew perception. All speculation ,no proof that you statement is correct anymore than saying there is definitely a God,there is no proof ether way,with that said anyone with half a brain would just say as I do ,we don't know,but to say one way is absolutely false but my way isn't ,is a result of a very closed mind.

There is a huge difference between explaining away a theory,and proving one.

 

[Hollie]

Men in robes with big funny hats, waving canisters of incense aren't curing disease, increasing crop yields, solving the questions of existence or exploring the universe.

Like I said only a closed mind would discount what isn't known.

An open mind understands that your culturally / geographically correct gawds are simply regurgitations of earlier gawds, long since discarded as mere myth and legend.

Do you discount invisible pink unicorns?

Are you 12 years old?
So what beyond any question,positive proof happens when you die?
People experiencing out of body occurrences ,how do you without question explain them,without question?

So-called out of body experiences can be explained by the brain being starved for oxygen, blood chemistry being unbalanced, thus causing the brain to skew perception.

If you believe one or more of the gawds did it, submit your evidence for one or more of the gawds being extant.

You submit nothing but speculation,but nice try,once again .
So-called out of body experiences can be explained by the brain being starved for oxygen, blood chemistry being unbalanced, thus causing the brain to skew perception. All speculation ,no proof that you statement is correct anymore than saying there is definitely a God,there is no proof ether way,with that said anyone with half a brain would just say as I do ,we don't know,but to say one way is absolutely false but my way isn't ,is a result of a very closed mind.

There is a huge difference between explaining away a theory,and proving one.

You're desperately trying to find a gap wherein you can spackle your gawds. As with every occurrence in nature, there are natural explanations. You will reject the natural explanations in favor of placating your fears and superstitions with the weasel "the gawds did it". Yet, you make no case for which of the gawds "did it". You make no case for how the gawds "did it". You make no case that can be studied or evaluated because "the gawds did it" is no different than screeching out "it's magic".

 

[abu afak]

...All speculation ,no proof that you statement is correct anymore than saying there is definitely a God, there is no proof ether way, with that said anyone with half a brain would just say as I do, we don't know,but to say one way is absolutely false but my way isn't ,is a result of a very closed mind.
There is a huge difference between explaining away a theory,and proving one.

This is this the Dishonesty or Obtuseness of the believer.

We are Not dealing with "proof", we are dealing with EVIDENCE and affirmation.
Evolution has 150 Years of increasing and Overwhelming EVIDENCE. God has ZERO evidence.
ZERO.
Evolution COULD have been disproved tho, by any of the many new sciences since it came into existence. ie, Geology/Fossil strata; Carbon/Isotopic dating; DNA; etc, etc. BUT ALL are consistent with Evolution.
What are/were the odds if it was false?

To pose that they are both Mere 'beliefs' is (most likely) semantic Dishonesty, or unbelievably IQ-challenged, and seeks to substitute "absolute 100% proof" for "Overwhelming EVIDENCE".
Voodoo (another religion like yours) and Gravity are NOT equivalent.
Nor are Christ's 'resurrection' and Evolution.
Once again I call BS on the "Everything is just a belief" FALLACY.
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[LittleNipper]

So, you believe if one murders someone that that individual gets away scot-free? So, you believe that if a person lies, cheats, and steals that person does not reap what he sows? So, you believe that if a child curses his parents and doesn't listen to them and uses them, there are no lifetime repercussions? If there is really no God and the reason we exist hinges on random chance ----- then there is a very great opportunity to get away with it (as it were).

What a Dishonest or Obtuse remark.
As if god/dog, and Only YOUR god, is the source of morality.
People of Other religions and no religion have morality and had it before the Bible.

I however, see that most things happen for a reason. People and nations DO reap what they sow.

One can get people angry/Criminal can go to jail.. BUT .. Bad things happen to good people just as often.
Believing in god doesn't save you from crime or disease.

The next rationalization is that there is absolutely NO proof that biological life just happened.
One must believe it was either created or it was brought here; however, scientists have not been able to create a Frankenstein monster from pre-existing various body parts ----- so much less any living single celled organism with water, silica, minerals, and electricity.
NOW, evolution accepting scientists working day and night for well over one hundred years have not been able to concoct any biological life from inert materials. These are not stupid people to say the least! These are thinking individuals who know what makes life remain alive!!! Mother Nature doesn't possess a brain. Time doesn't rationalize.

DOH!
Evolution does NOT deal with the opening spark of life. That's separate and called "abiogenesis." Abiogenesis - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Evolution deals with, and has Extensive evidence For, all changes thereafter. That body of evidence (intermediate species, etc) Grows yearly both in Fossil remains and in new sciences like Isotopic dating, DNA, etc.

So, we have smart individuals who feel that they are too sophisticated to believe that there can be a Creator, yet they themselves have no clue and dish out theory after theory that they themselves cannot substantiate. And so when a Christian says that there is a God and that God reveals Himself through nature, the written Word, historical data, reward & punishment, Christ Jesus, and the lives of the saints ---- these same skeptics say ---------- "But there isn't any proof!" I have to laugh out loud. God does use the simple to make the wise into fools. And that is just additional proof of GOD.

There is NO evidence of god.
And btw, WHICH/WITCH god? ?
since even most believers don't believe in Yours.
So most believers are necessarily Wrong even in the unlikely event one is right.
The only OBVIOUS Truth is that man created god/godS. LOTS of them.
Every culture has at least one!
If you were born in Bombay, you'd be a Hindu
Karachi, a Muslim,
Tel Aviv, a Jew
etc
Religion is a geographical/cultural Accident of Birth, NOT any discernible truth.

Because you are a deluded religionist, your posts are necessarily FULL of wrong premises and easily shot down.
`

There is only one GOD not designed by man. There are Christians in India, Africa, China, Japan, and Israel. In fact, all the 1st Christians were Jews. The simple fact that The Bible stipulates that the Jewish people will dispersed and will be a byword of nations, BUT not be entirely destroyed. They will be gathered together and Israel will be reestablished The fact that Jews still hold to ancient "traditions" for thousands of years while others far more numerous and powerful have been deposed and forgotten is proof of GOD's determination. They will eventually recognize Jesus the Christ as their Messiah. This will come to pass according to the Bible.