Ron Paul: ‘Secession is a deeply American principle’

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Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said Monday that secession was a “deeply American principle,” amid a growing number of people petitioning the White House to let their states secede from the U.S.

“Secession is a deeply American principle. This country was born through secession. Some felt it was treasonous to secede from England, but those ‘traitors’ became our country’s greatest patriots,” the former presidential candidate wrote in a post on his House website. “There is nothing treasonous or unpatriotic about wanting a federal government that is more responsive to the people it represents.”


He continued: “If the possibility of secession is completely off the table there is nothing to stop the federal government from continuing to encroach on our liberties and no recourse for those who are sick and tired of it.”



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Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said Monday that secession was a “deeply American principle,” amid a growing number of people petitioning the White House to let their states secede from the U.S.

“Secession is a deeply American principle. This country was born through secession. Some felt it was treasonous to secede from England, but those ‘traitors’ became our country’s greatest patriots,” the former presidential candidate wrote in a post on his House website. “There is nothing treasonous or unpatriotic about wanting a federal government that is more responsive to the people it represents.”


He continued: “If the possibility of secession is completely off the table there is nothing to stop the federal government from continuing to encroach on our liberties and no recourse for those who are sick and tired of it.”



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“If the possibility of secession is completely off the table there is nothing to stop the federal government from continuing to encroach on our liberties and no recourse for those who are sick and tired of it.”

This comment is just silly. Ron Paul has recourse, he can and has run for the office of POTUS and The People for the most part have rejected him. But his right to do so - make a fool of himself - has never been infringed. Even his wackadoodle son has a seat at the table of power but like his dad Rand has ideas which most other members of the Senate and many many Americans see as silly.

Of course as do most demagogues some of the Pauls' ideas are appealing to the emotions. Pragmatists however, eschew the emotional argument and evaluate ideology on a case by case basis and that is where the libertarians arguments come up short.
 
Granny quietly sits back an' counts her Confederate bonds...
:cool:
Secession petitions: Why Americans don't really want to break up
9 December 2012 - Independence movements are on the march in many Western countries, but the secessionists who have been making news in the US since last month's election are not, realistically, going anywhere. Americans are, in fact, unusually keen to stick together. Why is this?
The USA is a divided country, we're often told, polarised in a cultural civil war between the blue and red bits on its map. Unlike almost all of their Western counterparts, however, Americans appear remarkably happy to stay together despite their differences. While separatist parties are thriving in Canada and Europe, recent bids to take individual states out of the union have only served to demonstrate just how little appetite there is for this kind of politics in the US. A series of petitions has been posted on the White House website calling for each of the 50 states to be allowed to secede.

So far Texas, South Carolina, Georgia, Louisiana, Florida, Missouri, Tennessee, North Carolina, Alabama, Oklahoma and Ohio have all attracted more than 25,000 names apiece - entitling them an official response from the administration. In the context of the US population of 312 million, however, the numbers involved are minuscule. Some 700,000 people in total are estimated to have signed so far - around 0.2% of all Americans. Even Texas's 118,000 signatures - the most of any state - represent less than 0.5% of its inhabitants. These tiny figures actually set Americans apart from their counterparts in other major Western countries.

Scotland, Catalonia and Quebec are all governed by parties seeking a referendum on independence. European nations such as Italy, France and Belgium all contain flourishing constituent nations demanding independence. Nor is the trend confined to the West. The USA's Cold War rival, the USSR, fragmented into no fewer than 15 different states upon its collapse some of which also contain smaller national groups eager to break away. China, meanwhile, has nationalist movements in Tibet and Xinjiang. The US is in an entirely different situation.

Even those who backed the petitions were most likely acting purely out of frustration with the presidential election result, believes Neil Caren, assistant professor of sociology at the University of North Carolina, who has carried out research into the signatories. "My reading would be that even among the people who signed these petitions, probably a majority wouldn't actually want secession," he says. "It's like saying you'll move to Canada - it's about how you express your dissatisfaction in the immediate aftermath of the election." Certainly, the states where the petitions have attracted the most support are all among those which most favoured the defeated Mitt Romney over Barack Obama. But any serious breakaway movement would be hampered by the memory it would resurrect of one of the most traumatic periods in American history - namely the civil war, which cost around 750,000 lives after the southern Confederate states declared independence in 1861.

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The founding was based on secession from the Crown. it's explicit in the declaration of independents. It's far more American than even apple pie.

But the statists hate it. There is no way any statist lover wants others to have such authority over themselves. So it's demonized as some fringe idea. To the point of celebrating Lincoln's stacked SCOTUS to pass case law stating that no state has the rights in the Declaration of Independents.
 
Secession from America makes you precisely unamerican. What don't you get about that?
 
Ron Paul rears his head and his rhetoric every 4 yrs at election time and he gets exactly the same support he does every 4 yrs which is minimal. Hes been spouting the same identical rhetoric word for word for 30 yrs and it hasnt caught on. Now hes done its over for him and somehow a few think Pauls word will mean something more.
Now we will have to put up with the same rhetoric from his kid for the next couple of decades...
 
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said Monday that secession was a “deeply American principle,” amid a growing number of people petitioning the White House to let their states secede from the U.S.

“Secession is a deeply American principle. This country was born through secession. Some felt it was treasonous to secede from England, but those ‘traitors’ became our country’s greatest patriots,” the former presidential candidate wrote in a post on his House website. “There is nothing treasonous or unpatriotic about wanting a federal government that is more responsive to the people it represents.”


He continued: “If the possibility of secession is completely off the table there is nothing to stop the federal government from continuing to encroach on our liberties and no recourse for those who are sick and tired of it.”



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Was that the speech he gave in front of a confederate flag?

The same one where he pointed out that slavery wasn't the major cause of the civil war and the north could of avoided the whole thing he they just "bought" the southern slaves?

:lol:
 
The founding was based on secession from the Crown. it's explicit in the declaration of independents. It's far more American than even apple pie.

But the statists hate it. There is no way any statist lover wants others to have such authority over themselves. So it's demonized as some fringe idea. To the point of celebrating Lincoln's stacked SCOTUS to pass case law stating that no state has the rights in the Declaration of Independents.

"Statists" like our first President, George Washington, was very much against it. Once the Union was formed.

And the Declaration was a one shot affair.
 
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said Monday that secession was a “deeply American principle,” amid a growing number of people petitioning the White House to let their states secede from the U.S.

“Secession is a deeply American principle. This country was born through secession. Some felt it was treasonous to secede from England, but those ‘traitors’ became our country’s greatest patriots,” the former presidential candidate wrote in a post on his House website. “There is nothing treasonous or unpatriotic about wanting a federal government that is more responsive to the people it represents.”


He continued: “If the possibility of secession is completely off the table there is nothing to stop the federal government from continuing to encroach on our liberties and no recourse for those who are sick and tired of it.”



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Was that the speech he gave in front of a confederate flag?

The same one where he pointed out that slavery wasn't the major cause of the civil war and the north could of avoided the whole thing he they just "bought" the southern slaves?

:lol:
I see what you did there :) You left off 2 other very important words after "bought"

You are also leaving out why he was standing in front of the Confederate Flag and what the speech was about.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEC68vTQwP8]Ron Paul's Neo-Confederate "South Was Right" Civil War Speech With Confederate Flag - YouTube[/ame]
 
Ron Paul rears his head and his rhetoric every 4 yrs at election time and he gets exactly the same support he does every 4 yrs which is minimal. Hes been spouting the same identical rhetoric word for word for 30 yrs and it hasnt caught on. Now hes done its over for him and somehow a few think Pauls word will mean something more.
Now we will have to put up with the same rhetoric from his kid for the next couple of decades...

Con artists are a deeply American tradition too.

Ron Paul uses other people's money to finance his hobby of running for a political office he can never win,

and knows he can never win. It's a con game, but a legal one.
 
Ron Paul rears his head and his rhetoric every 4 yrs at election time and he gets exactly the same support he does every 4 yrs which is minimal. Hes been spouting the same identical rhetoric word for word for 30 yrs and it hasnt caught on. Now hes done its over for him and somehow a few think Pauls word will mean something more.
Now we will have to put up with the same rhetoric from his kid for the next couple of decades...

Con artists are a deeply American tradition too.

Ron Paul uses other people's money to finance his hobby of running for a political office he can never win,

and knows he can never win. It's a con game, but a legal one.

I am no fan of Ron Paul but it is good to hear different viewpoints in the political process even if they are out there
 

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