Romney's Lawyers To Trump: Obama Is Eligible Even If Born In Kenya Or Paris

[USArmyRetired]

This is absolutely insane. Looks like Mitt is going to suffer the same fate as his father, who blew his presidential nomination chances by switching from support of the Vietnam War to opposition of it; only this time, Mitt will learn that more than an "extreme portion of the population" don't share his view on what makes a natural-born citizen. Lawyers for Romney say even if Obama was born in Kenya or Paris, he would still be eligible to be president because his mother was a American citizen. If Obama was born out of the country , under the law at the time, his mother did not live in the US for 5 years after the age of 14 before he was born. Thus she could not pass on US citizenship to him. Do they even research the law before making these asinine comments? The reason behind this is because Romneys dad George wasn't eligible either when he ran for president.



According to Romney family lawyers it doesn't matter if Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or even Paris: Because his mother was an American (and not even Donald Trump questions that), he is eligible to be President.

Romney to Trump: Obama Doesn’t Need a Birth Certificate - Daniel Freedman - Freed Thinking - Forbes

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Romney's lawyers are right. The law you cited was a Hawaiian State law and has no bearing on US Citizenship.

No matter where Obama was born he is a NATURAL Born US Citizen in my opinion.

 

[Liberty]

I beg to differ. I argue that he was not born on this planet what-so-ever, and therefore is not human. Consequentially, this means he can not be President since only humans can be President. Impeach, etc.

 

[VaYank5150]

It is SO nice to see that there is no infighting within the GOP.....

 

[signelect]

I don't care where he was born or hatched. He is a bad president. He has increased federal spending by 28% and spent more than Bush by 3 times. Get rid of him and recover as fast as we can.

By the way congress is just as bad.

 

[Liberty]

I don't care where he was born or hatched. He is a bad president. He has increased federal spending by 28% and spent more than Bush by 3 times. Get rid of him and recover as fast as we can.

By the way congress is just as bad.

Not only that, he dropped out of grade school due to his crack cocaine addiction.

 

[Robert]

This is absolutely insane. Looks like Mitt is going to suffer the same fate as his father, who blew his presidential nomination chances by switching from support of the Vietnam War to opposition of it; only this time, Mitt will learn that more than an "extreme portion of the population" don't share his view on what makes a natural-born citizen. Lawyers for Romney say even if Obama was born in Kenya or Paris, he would still be eligible to be president because his mother was a American citizen. If Obama was born out of the country , under the law at the time, his mother did not live in the US for 5 years after the age of 14 before he was born. Thus she could not pass on US citizenship to him. Do they even research the law before making these asinine comments? The reason behind this is because Romneys dad George wasn't eligible either when he ran for president.



According to Romney family lawyers it doesn't matter if Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or even Paris: Because his mother was an American (and not even Donald Trump questions that), he is eligible to be President.

Romney to Trump: Obama Doesn’t Need a Birth Certificate - Daniel Freedman - Freed Thinking - Forbes

LOL wow right out of the gate and he's already lost my vote, damn good thing we have plenty of time to field a candidate.

 

[High_Gravity]

Americans are born overseas all the time, if one of your parents is American you are automatically an American citizen regardless where you are born.

 

[Dr.Drock]

This is absolutely insane. Looks like Mitt is going to suffer the same fate as his father, who blew his presidential nomination chances by switching from support of the Vietnam War to opposition of it; only this time, Mitt will learn that more than an "extreme portion of the population" don't share his view on what makes a natural-born citizen. Lawyers for Romney say even if Obama was born in Kenya or Paris, he would still be eligible to be president because his mother was a American citizen. If Obama was born out of the country , under the law at the time, his mother did not live in the US for 5 years after the age of 14 before he was born. Thus she could not pass on US citizenship to him. Do they even research the law before making these asinine comments? The reason behind this is because Romneys dad George wasn't eligible either when he ran for president.



According to Romney family lawyers it doesn't matter if Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or even Paris: Because his mother was an American (and not even Donald Trump questions that), he is eligible to be President.

Romney to Trump: Obama Doesn’t Need a Birth Certificate - Daniel Freedman - Freed Thinking - Forbes

LOL wow right out of the gate and he's already lost my vote, damn good thing we have plenty of time to field a candidate.

So if he's running you won't vote for him?

RomneyCare vs ObamaCare, ahhh the choices we'll have in 2012 .

 

[American Horse]

This is absolutely insane. Looks like Mitt is going to suffer the same fate as his father, who blew his presidential nomination chances by switching from support of the Vietnam War to opposition of it; only this time, Mitt will learn that more than an "extreme portion of the population" don't share his view on what makes a natural-born citizen. Lawyers for Romney say even if Obama was born in Kenya or Paris, he would still be eligible to be president because his mother was a American citizen. If Obama was born out of the country , under the law at the time, his mother did not live in the US for 5 years after the age of 14 before he was born. Thus she could not pass on US citizenship to him. Do they even research the law before making these asinine comments? The reason behind this is because Romneys dad George wasn't eligible either when he ran for president.



According to Romney family lawyers it doesn't matter if Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or even Paris: Because his mother was an American (and not even Donald Trump questions that), he is eligible to be President.

Romney to Trump: Obama Doesn’t Need a Birth Certificate - Daniel Freedman - Freed Thinking - Forbes

QUESTION: Do we know for certain that particular requirement was in effect at the time of Obama's birth?

 

[SgtMeowenstein]

This is absolutely insane. Looks like Mitt is going to suffer the same fate as his father, who blew his presidential nomination chances by switching from support of the Vietnam War to opposition of it; only this time, Mitt will learn that more than an "extreme portion of the population" don't share his view on what makes a natural-born citizen. Lawyers for Romney say even if Obama was born in Kenya or Paris, he would still be eligible to be president because his mother was a American citizen. If Obama was born out of the country , under the law at the time, his mother did not live in the US for 5 years after the age of 14 before he was born. Thus she could not pass on US citizenship to him. Do they even research the law before making these asinine comments? The reason behind this is because Romneys dad George wasn't eligible either when he ran for president.



According to Romney family lawyers it doesn't matter if Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or even Paris: Because his mother was an American (and not even Donald Trump questions that), he is eligible to be President.

Romney to Trump: Obama Doesn’t Need a Birth Certificate - Daniel Freedman - Freed Thinking - Forbes

LOL wow right out of the gate and he's already lost my vote, damn good thing we have plenty of time to field a candidate.

Good to see that some cons won't vote for a GOP candidate unless he or she embraces the birther mindset. This is going to be a fun primary to watch. Can't wait for the GOP to eat it's own over conspiracy theories and social issues.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Romneys lawyers leave out the fact that Obama may have traveled to the US as an Indonesian citizen at age 19.

 

[GHook93]

Mitt is right to take that stance. I wish Trump would get off the birther stance and stick to what is appealing about him - his opposition to China!!!

 

[USArmyRetired]

This is absolutely insane. Looks like Mitt is going to suffer the same fate as his father, who blew his presidential nomination chances by switching from support of the Vietnam War to opposition of it; only this time, Mitt will learn that more than an "extreme portion of the population" don't share his view on what makes a natural-born citizen. Lawyers for Romney say even if Obama was born in Kenya or Paris, he would still be eligible to be president because his mother was a American citizen. If Obama was born out of the country , under the law at the time, his mother did not live in the US for 5 years after the age of 14 before he was born. Thus she could not pass on US citizenship to him. Do they even research the law before making these asinine comments? The reason behind this is because Romneys dad George wasn't eligible either when he ran for president.



According to Romney family lawyers it doesn't matter if Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or even Paris: Because his mother was an American (and not even Donald Trump questions that), he is eligible to be President.

Romney to Trump: Obama Doesn’t Need a Birth Certificate - Daniel Freedman - Freed Thinking - Forbes

QUESTION: Do we know for certain that particular requirement was in effect at the time of Obama's birth?

Yes, it was in effect. U.S. Immigration law in effect in 1961 barred Obama from U.S. citizenship at birth because his father was a Kenyan citizen and his mother, although a U.S. citizen, was not a resident of the U.S. for at least FIVE years following her 14th birthday.

U.S. Immigration and Nationality Act 1952, U.S. Code, Title 8, Section 1401, Sec. 301

"a. Section 301 as Effective on December 24, 1952: When enacted in 1952, section 301 required a U.S. citizen married to an alien to have been physically present in the United States for ten years, including five after reaching the age of fourteen, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children. The ten-year transmission requirement remained in effect from 12:01 a.m. EDT December 24, 1952, through midnight November 13, 1986, and still is applicable to persons born during that period. "

 

[Leweman]

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.


Just FYI.

 

[RDD_1210]

Nothing gets my day going like a good nutter thread.

 

[USArmyRetired]

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.


Just FYI.

That defines who a citizen is, not a natural born citizen in Article 2 Section 1 for President.

 

[Avatar4321]

Why the heck are we still talking about this stupid Clinton ploy to attack the President? It failed for Hillary because it isn't true. Get over it. Stop wasting time fighting this stupid argument when Obama is incredibly weak for about a million other issues.

Obama is a citizen. Get over it. Let's actually fight important issues. Don't let him keep you fighting worthless battles.

 

[del]

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.


Just FYI.

That defines who a citizen is, not a natural born citizen in Article 2 Section 1 for President.

what part of *at birth* don't you get, fuckchop?

 

[USArmyRetired]

Why the heck are we still talking about this stupid Clinton ploy to attack the President? It failed for Hillary because it isn't true. Get over it. Stop wasting time fighting this stupid argument when Obama is incredibly weak for about a million other issues.

Obama is a citizen. Get over it. Let's actually fight important issues. Don't let him keep you fighting worthless battles.

Right, Obama is a citizen. He's just not a natural born citizen that the constitution specifically calls for in Article 2 Section 1. Trump has made his ineligibility issue go mainstream. You have today the Washington Times asking Obama to release his 'Full' birth records and academic records. That is a first.