Richard III's Remains Found - Long Live The King!!!

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Richard III's Remains Found - Long Live The King!!!

Tests of the remains showed the man whose remains were found was likely to have been killed by one or two injuries to the skill, which fits with the story that Richard was killed in battle by sword or ax.

"The corpse was subjected to 'humiliation injuries'—including a sword through the right buttock," the university said.

The skeleton also has a curved spine, just as Richard was reported to have. Radiocarbon dating revealed the bones had a high-protein diet, including significant amounts of seafood, a sign he was of high status, the university said.

The bones of Richard will most likely be reinterred in Leicester, where they stayed for more than 500 years, but some Richard III enthusiasts are calling for Richard to be buried in York and others in Westminster Abbey or Windsor Castle, where other monarchs are interred.

Richard III's Remains Found - WSJ.com

Death at the Battle of Bosworth Field
Main article: Battle of Bosworth Field

On 22 August 1485, Richard met the outnumbered forces of Henry Tudor at the Battle of Bosworth Field. Richard was riding a white courser.[33] The size of Richard's army has been estimated at 8,000, Henry's at 5,000, but exact numbers cannot be known. The traditional view of the cause of the King's famous cries of "Treason!"[34] before falling has been that during the battle Richard was abandoned by Baron Stanley (made Earl of Derby in October), Sir William Stanley, and Henry Percy, 4th Earl of Northumberland. However, the role of Northumberland is not clear; his position was with the reserve — behind the King's line — and could therefore not easily have moved forward without a general royal advance, which did not take place. Despite his apparent affiliation with Richard, Baron Stanley's wife, Lady Margaret Beaufort, was Henry Tudor's mother. The switching of sides by the Stanleys severely depleted the strength of Richard's army and had a material effect on the outcome of the battle. Also the death of John Howard, Duke of Norfolk, his close companion, appears to have had a demoralising effect on Richard and his men. Perhaps in realisation of the implications of this, Richard then appears to have led an impromptu cavalry charge deep into the enemy ranks in an attempt to end the battle quickly by striking at Henry Tudor himself. Accounts note that Richard fought bravely and ably during this manoeuvre, unhorsing Sir John Cheney, a well-known jousting champion, killing Henry's standard bearer Sir William Brandon and coming within a sword's length of Henry himself before being finally surrounded by Sir William Stanley's men and killed. The Burgundian chronicler Jean Molinet says that a Welshman struck the death-blow with a halberd while Richard's horse was stuck in the marshy ground.[35] It was said that the blows were so violent that the king's helmet was driven into his skull.[36] The contemporary Welsh poet Guto'r Glyn implies that the leading Welsh Lancastrian Rhys ap Thomas, or one of his men, killed the king, writing that he "killed the boar, shaved his head".[37][38][35]. The recent discovery of King Richard's body shows that the skeleton had 10 wounds, eight of them to the head, clearly inflicted in battle and suggesting the king had lost his helmet. The skull showed that a blade had hacked away part of the rear of the skull. Richard III was the last English king to be killed in battle.

Richard III of England - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

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Richard III's Remains Found - Long Live The King!!!

Tests of the remains showed the man whose remains were found was likely to have been killed by one or two injuries to the skill, which fits with the story that Richard was killed in battle by sword or ax.

"The corpse was subjected to 'humiliation injuries'—including a sword through the right buttock," the university said.

The skeleton also has a curved spine, just as Richard was reported to have. Radiocarbon dating revealed the bones had a high-protein diet, including significant amounts of seafood, a sign he was of high status, the university said.

The bones of Richard will most likely be reinterred in Leicester, where they stayed for more than 500 years, but some Richard III enthusiasts are calling for Richard to be buried in York and others in Westminster Abbey or Windsor Castle, where other monarchs are interred.

Richard III's Remains Found - WSJ.com

Death at the Battle of Bosworth Field
Main article: Battle of Bosworth Field

On 22 August 1485, Richard met the outnumbered forces of Henry Tudor at the Battle of Bosworth Field. Richard was riding a white courser.[33] The size of Richard's army has been estimated at 8,000, Henry's at 5,000, but exact numbers cannot be known. The traditional view of the cause of the King's famous cries of "Treason!"[34] before falling has been that during the battle Richard was abandoned by Baron Stanley (made Earl of Derby in October), Sir William Stanley, and Henry Percy, 4th Earl of Northumberland. However, the role of Northumberland is not clear; his position was with the reserve — behind the King's line — and could therefore not easily have moved forward without a general royal advance, which did not take place. Despite his apparent affiliation with Richard, Baron Stanley's wife, Lady Margaret Beaufort, was Henry Tudor's mother. The switching of sides by the Stanleys severely depleted the strength of Richard's army and had a material effect on the outcome of the battle. Also the death of John Howard, Duke of Norfolk, his close companion, appears to have had a demoralising effect on Richard and his men. Perhaps in realisation of the implications of this, Richard then appears to have led an impromptu cavalry charge deep into the enemy ranks in an attempt to end the battle quickly by striking at Henry Tudor himself. Accounts note that Richard fought bravely and ably during this manoeuvre, unhorsing Sir John Cheney, a well-known jousting champion, killing Henry's standard bearer Sir William Brandon and coming within a sword's length of Henry himself before being finally surrounded by Sir William Stanley's men and killed. The Burgundian chronicler Jean Molinet says that a Welshman struck the death-blow with a halberd while Richard's horse was stuck in the marshy ground.[35] It was said that the blows were so violent that the king's helmet was driven into his skull.[36] The contemporary Welsh poet Guto'r Glyn implies that the leading Welsh Lancastrian Rhys ap Thomas, or one of his men, killed the king, writing that he "killed the boar, shaved his head".[37][38][35]. The recent discovery of King Richard's body shows that the skeleton had 10 wounds, eight of them to the head, clearly inflicted in battle and suggesting the king had lost his helmet. The skull showed that a blade had hacked away part of the rear of the skull. Richard III was the last English king to be killed in battle.

Richard III of England - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Politico]

Yay wikipedia quotes.

 

[Esmeralda]

I think this is very interesting. He was found under a carpark.

 

[Noomi]

I think this is very interesting. He was found under a carpark.

Of all places, but hundreds of years ago, that same carpark may well have been a battlefield.

 

[koshergrl]

No, it was a monastary, I do believe.

He had scoliosis, so he apparently was *crook back* as Shakespeare described him.

Very cool. I think Richard got a bad rap....I think Henry VII killed the princes.

Fascinating.

 

[koshergrl]

 

[editec]

It is somewhat ironic that the remains of the King whose last words, as written by Shakespeare in Richard III were:

"A horse a horse, my kingdom for a horse"​

was found buried under SO MUCH HORSEPOWER.

That just cracks me up.

(yeah yeah, I know, I am easily amused)

 

[NoNukes]

I think this is very interesting. He was found under a carpark.

The entire story of how his remains were found is eerie and interesting.

 

[Claudette]

No, it was a monastary, I do believe.

He had scoliosis, so he apparently was *crook back* as Shakespeare described him.

Very cool. I think Richard got a bad rap....I think Henry VII killed the princes.

Fascinating.

I agree. Richard III was a much maligned monarch. He was actually a pretty good king and like you I think Henry VII had the princes killed. Of course no one will ever know the true tale but Richard III had a very good relationship with is Brother, Father of the Princes.

Thanks for posting this Dante. Richard III was facinating guy and I'm glad they found his remains. Hope he gets burial someplace than under a parking lot.

 

[rightwinger]

Amazing story about how the King of Englands remains could be so badly treated and forgotten. Can't believe they could have found him after 500 years.

I think Richard got a bad rap from Shakespeare. No question he killed his nephews to take the crown, but that was common among royalty. What I can't imagine is him going into battle. 5 ft 7 with a badly curved spine and what they say were a feminine, frail physique. This is not the type you imagine leading a cavalry charge

 

[JoeB131]

Amazing story about how the King of Englands remains could be so badly treated and forgotten. Can't believe they could have found him after 500 years.

I think Richard got a bad rap from Shakespeare. No question he killed his nephews to take the crown, but that was common among royalty. What I can't imagine is him going into battle. 5 ft 7 with a badly curved spine and what they say were a feminine, frail physique. This is not the type you imagine leading a cavalry charge

Shakespeare was the propagandist of the Tudor Dynasty. And later the Stuarts.

 

[Claudette]

Amazing story about how the King of Englands remains could be so badly treated and forgotten. Can't believe they could have found him after 500 years.

I think Richard got a bad rap from Shakespeare. No question he killed his nephews to take the crown, but that was common among royalty. What I can't imagine is him going into battle. 5 ft 7 with a badly curved spine and what they say were a feminine, frail physique. This is not the type you imagine leading a cavalry charge

Shakespeare was the propagandist of the Tudor Dynasty. And later the Stuarts.

Yup. He knew which side of his bread was buttered and who he needed to please.

Everything I've read about Richard III said he was a hell of a fighter and no coward. As to the two nephews?

In 1647 The skeletons of two small boys were found in under the staircase leading to the chapel. They were assumed to be the skeletons of the two boys. They were intered in Westminster Abbey. In 1933 the grave was opened to see if modern medicine could give any insight. Well. The skeletons were of two young children ages seven to eleven and eleven to thirteen.

No one knows who killed them. Some think Richard ordered a man named James Tyrell, an English knight, to kill the two princes. Others think the Duke of Buckingham did the deed without telling Richard. Richard never ordered an investigation so of course he looks guilty. Did he have it done?? Who knows. Loads of suspects though

Good write up in Wikipedia Princes in the Tower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

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Yay wikipedia quotes.

and WSJ

 

[koshergrl]

I think he received a decent burial, in a churchyard (at the time). Records get lost, development encroaches..and voila, you have a king in a parking lot.

 

[rightwinger]

I think he received a decent burial, in a churchyard (at the time). Records get lost, development encroaches..and voila, you have a king in a parking lot.

He was thrown into a hole too small for his body, naked, with his hands tied

 

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I think he received a decent burial, in a churchyard (at the time). Records get lost, development encroaches..and voila, you have a king in a parking lot.

He was thrown into a hole too small for his body, naked, with his hands tied

It's how right wingers were treated in those days...

 

[Esmeralda]

I think he received a decent burial, in a churchyard (at the time). Records get lost, development encroaches..and voila, you have a king in a parking lot.

He was thrown into a hole too small for his body, naked, with his hands tied

It's how right wingers were treated in those days...

Well, he did have two young boys assassinated and buried under a stairwell so he could be king. Did he really deserve special treatment when he died? Perhaps he was killed by 'friendly fire." There are stories from the Vietnam war of soldiers killing officers on the field of battle. I imagine that kind of thing didn't start with the Vietnam war.

 

[ThirdTerm]

The prime suspect is Richard III because the Princes in the Tower disappeared just after he was crowned in very contentious circumstances and another suspect Henry VII married Elizabeth of York, their sister, and he would not have felt comfortable with the marriage if he had murdered his brothers in law. Henry VII was highly perturbed whenever the pretenders of the princes appeared to claim the throne, which suggests that he believed they were still alive somewhere and that was what Elizabeth Woodville claimed when she testified.

Edward IV died suddenly on 9 April 1483 and his eldest son was proclaimed Edward V at Ludlow. Edward's uncle, his father's brother, Richard, Duke of Gloucester, was named as protector. Elizabeth Woodville and her supporters attempted to replace Gloucester with a regency Council, aware of the dislike Gloucester had for them. As the new king, Edward V, travelled towards London, he was met by Gloucester and escorted to the capital, where he was lodged in the Tower of London. In June, Edward was joined by his brother, the Duke of York. The boys were declared illegitimate because it was alleged that their father was contracted to marry someone else before his marriage to Elizabeth Woodville. In July 1483, Richard, Duke of Gloucester was crowned Richard III. The two boys were never seen again. It was widely believed that their uncle had them murdered.
BBC - History - Historic Figures: The Princes in the Tower

 

[UKRider]

Richard doesn't seem to mind but what if it is some close relation to him.

Then would it still prove out as a possibility?