Rich whites don't care about ordinary whites

[danielpalos]

We care about ordinary whites. The make a great buffer against minorities and others we don't want to be bothered with.

Not if they are poor, right wingers.

 

[MikeK]

SP, I hear what you are saying, but it does not work that way.

Sure it does.

All you have to do is mind your own business. it is the easiest thing in the world

You're not minding your own business right now, are you?

Try minding your own business where the labor laws are concerned and you'll soon be working for $3 an hour, 12 hours a day, six days a week, no vacations, and wiping your boss's ass if he tells you to.

And if you don't like what I've said here, just mind your own business.

 

[JakeStarkey]

SP, I hear what you are saying, but it does not work that way.

Sure it does.

All you have to do is mind your own business. it is the easiest thing in the world

You're not minding your own business right now, are you?

Try minding your own business where the labor laws are concerned and you'll soon be working for $3 an hour, 12 hours a day, six days a week, no vacations, and wiping your boss's ass if he tells you to.

And if you don't like what I've said here, just mind your own business.

That would be SP's dream job.

 

[Skull Pilot]

SP, I hear what you are saying, but it does not work that way.

Sure it does.

All you have to do is mind your own business. it is the easiest thing in the world

You're not minding your own business right now, are you?

Try minding your own business where the labor laws are concerned and you'll soon be working for $3 an hour, 12 hours a day, six days a week, no vacations, and wiping your boss's ass if he tells you to.

And if you don't like what I've said here, just mind your own business.

I am
I'm just sitting here talking not trying to pass laws to coerce people to act in certain ways

And what are you smoking to think that somehow overnight people will be making 3 dollars an hour?

And FYI I don't work for anyone.

 

[Skull Pilot]

SP, I hear what you are saying, but it does not work that way.

Sure it does.

All you have to do is mind your own business. it is the easiest thing in the world

You're not minding your own business right now, are you?

Try minding your own business where the labor laws are concerned and you'll soon be working for $3 an hour, 12 hours a day, six days a week, no vacations, and wiping your boss's ass if he tells you to.

And if you don't like what I've said here, just mind your own business.

That would be SP's dream job.

Funny how I am the one of those that actually employ people and pay them well while you just whine about what other people pay you

 

[jasonnfree]

The rich don't care about ordinary people of any race.

ordinary people don't care about the rich so what's the problem

The way I see it both parties should just be minding their own business

The wealthy have all the money, so they sure don't care about the little guy. They just fund the elections of politicians of both parties who make the sweet deals for them. This includes an immigration system that insures hordes of low wage workers to compete with Americans for jobs here on our soil. I don't know anybody who lives and works in America and claims a foreign country as their residence for tax purposes, but many very wealthy folks do it. Just a couple of perks of many that's given to the rich and well connected. Nope, when I hear working stiffs cry the blues about all the onerous taxes the wealthy have to pay, I send not for the crying towel.

 

[MikeK]

[...]

And what are you smoking to think that somehow overnight people will be making 3 dollars an hour?

[...]

I didn't say it would happen overnight, but it will happen. Just like it happened before FDR and the Union Movement put a stop to it. Read a little bit about conditions of the American working class during the era of the Robber Barons. It was an era that gave rise to the phrase, starvation wages.

Did you happen to see the movie, Hoffa? If not, rent it. You won't be sorry. It is a supremely entertaining education about a very important time in American history. If you are doing okay today it very probably is because of the events which shaped that era.

 

[RodISHI]

Taxes are a cost of business that are always considered in decision making.

Business taxes are. Personal taxes aren't.

Why are you so obsessed with other's money instead of taking care of yourself?

You regard having an interest in the mechanics of the Nation's economy as an obsession? What do you call having no such interest?

I look at it as ROI after taxes and react accordingly.
By comparison, why cash deals are so sweet.

In the end buddy, the money ends up with the government that creates a nightmare out of everything they touch due to no market discipline: SS, Medicare, the debt, pensions, the post office, inefficiencies, graft, corruption, theft, bribery, etcetera.

I have no interest in giving them more hoping it will be different this time.

We are not talking about "the mechanics of the Nation's economy". Rather trying to take money from successful people. Equality over incentives. Killing the goose that lays golden eggs. Socialism. Pass.

I look at it as ROI after taxes and react accordingly.

By comparison, why cash deals are so sweet.

In the end buddy, the money ends up with the government that creates a nightmare out of everything they touch due to no market discipline: SS, Medicare, the debt, pensions, the post office, inefficiencies, graft, corruption, theft, bribery, etcetera.

I have no interest in giving them more hoping it will be different this time.

We are not talking about "the mechanics of the Nation's economy". Rather trying to take money from successful people. Equality over incentives. Killing the goose that lays golden eggs. Socialism. Pass.

Everything you are concerned with is reparable by the imposition and resumption of laws and regulations, such as certain relevant laws and regulations which were imposed during and shortly after the FDR and Eisenhower years -- but subsequently have been furtively repealed. One example of what I'm talking about is the Glass-Steagall Act which prohibited banks from freely gambling with money entrusted to them (risky hedge funds, etc). Bill Clinton repealed that Act and the result was one of the contributing factors in the 2008 monetary crisis.

You are quite right in your disdain with and distrust of government, but the situation isn't hopeless. The main problem is public ignorance of and complacency with the most basic mechanics of the economy and the laws that affect it.

You both are making good points. I agree with Mike as far as Glass/Steagall Act goes. The moment that was taken out the door was wide open for more corruption to follow. When everyone decided to put their retirements into the hands of money marketer funds they also opened another door for corruption. I don't believe taking money from people who have work for it and have been successful while working within the confines of an ethical system of government should be punished either (Rod told me not long after we first met "rich people are assholes". I didn't exactly agree with him but 35 years later I think he had a point from the view he was looking at). We were dirt poor yet we did work hard and we saved every penny we could. At a point we were considered rich yet we never really made that much. I have relatives that have made double and triple of what we made that still do not have their own home paid for. Priorities play a big part in that. If the banks and insurance companies were not allowed to commit fraud we would still be fairly well off but as it stands through court fraud and slick attorneys they made away with what little worldly wealth we had scrimped and save over the years. Legal and ethical is what it will take to get the country back on track and if a large majority is not willing to take a stand for that All will fall and we will be a poor nation with all of our resources held by a few elites taxing everyone and their brother for every dime they can get. As a worker hurt at work I refused to go along with the nutjob druggy physco dr. the insurance company by law got to choose to take care of my injuries. That whole affair was also born out of their greed and fraud on their part. By law when that employer refused to let me return to work when I refused to sign their paperwork that was not required by law when they hired me they defaulted yet the state here was so wrapped up in assisting the fraud of others concerning the bank fraud that had been committed against us and the theft of our paid for property I was left hanging. They were literally going to let me die. That is the type of people that this greed that a whole lot of people bought into has brought forth. Since people will willingly lie and cheat others and some think that it is no big deal and not their problem then everyone gets to take part in the stripping until enough people are sick of being stripped financially. For the ones that think they have secure wealth, I suppose you can think that but believe me there is nothing for sure in this world as it can all disappear tomorrow.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The rich don't care about ordinary people of any race.

ordinary people don't care about the rich so what's the problem

The way I see it both parties should just be minding their own business

The wealthy have all the money, so they sure don't care about the little guy. They just fund the elections of politicians of both parties who make the sweet deals for them. This includes an immigration system that insures hordes of low wage workers to compete with Americans for jobs here on our soil. I don't know anybody who lives and works in America and claims a foreign country as their residence for tax purposes, but many very wealthy folks do it. Just a couple of perks of many that's given to the rich and well connected. Nope, when I hear working stiffs cry the blues about all the onerous taxes the wealthy have to pay, I send not for the crying towel.

I don't cry for the so called rich either because I don't really care about them.

 

[Skull Pilot]

[...]

And what are you smoking to think that somehow overnight people will be making 3 dollars an hour?

[...]

I didn't say it would happen overnight, but it will happen. Just like it happened before FDR and the Union Movement put a stop to it. Read a little bit about conditions of the American working class during the era of the Robber Barons. It was an era that gave rise to the phrase, starvation wages.

Did you happen to see the movie, Hoffa? If not, rent it. You won't be sorry. It is a supremely entertaining education about a very important time in American history. If you are doing okay today it very probably is because of the events which shaped that era.

It won't happen because people will refuse to work for 3 bucks an hour

 

[MikeK]

It won't happen because people will refuse to work for 3 bucks an hour

Sure. They'll call up the NAACP and complain. Or have some nice riots. Right?

You need to read some modern American history. There was a time when a lot of people, including kids as young as ten, worked their asses off for a lot less than $3/hour. It took a President like FDR, the Union Movement, and a lot of blood, sweat, and tears to bring about change. Without FDR the Union Movement would not have gotten off the ground.

If you lived during those times and you had no essential skill you would work for a starvation wage or you would resort to crime and risk ending up on some chain gang, or worse.

 

[Mudda]

Without poor white people there would be no rich white people. So ya, I care about them.

 

[Skull Pilot]

It won't happen because people will refuse to work for 3 bucks an hour

Sure. They'll call up the NAACP and complain. Or have some nice riots. Right?

You need to read some modern American history. There was a time when a lot of people, including kids as young as ten, worked their asses off for a lot less than $3/hour. It took a President like FDR, the Union Movement, and a lot of blood, sweat, and tears to bring about change. Without FDR the Union Movement would not have gotten off the ground.

If you lived during those times and you had no essential skill you would work for a starvation wage or you would resort to crime and risk ending up on some chain gang, or worse.

and those times are not now are they?

It's not gonna happen

we had slavery once too do you think that will make a comeback?

 

[MikeK]

and those times are not now are they?

No, they are not. Do you know how much the collective governments of the U.S. disburse in welfare payments and other charitable expenses?

It's not gonna happen

What else do you hope for?

we had slavery once too do you think that will make a comeback?

In some equivalent form, I wouldn't discount the possibility. I'm sure it would occur as one result of a total economic collapse or a military defeat and occupation.

The relative luxury we Americans enjoy -- at all levels of society -- is not an assured condition. The lights could go out and survival would depend entirely on how prepared for utter disaster one is.

 

[Skull Pilot]

and those times are not now are they?

No, they are not. Do you know how much the collective governments of the U.S. disburse in welfare payments and other charitable expenses?

It's not gonna happen

What else do you hope for?

we had slavery once too do you think that will make a comeback?

In some equivalent form, I wouldn't discount the possibility. I'm sure it would occur as one result of a total economic collapse or a military defeat and occupation.

The relative luxury we Americans enjoy -- at all levels of society -- is not an assured condition. The lights could go out and survival would depend entirely on how prepared for utter disaster one is.

I don't hope for much

Hope is akin to wish and I learned a long time ago that wishes are a waste of time.

But you go ahead and believe that all of a sudden you are going to be at best working for 3 bucks an hour and at worst a slave if it makes you feel better