Ret. Gen. Stanley McChrystal backs banning assault weapons

[CrusaderFrank]

Jake has his own, totally incorect understanding of SCOTUS Decisions

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Chances of the House passing the Starkey Assault Weapon Ban = 0

 

[Dot Com]

Progs can't wait to start working 16 hours days in a field or factory with armed men standing guard.

Is McChrystal a "Prog"?

 

[martybegan]

Not either or, marty, and certainly not getting rid of the 2nd Amendment. Heller 1(F) will override Lewis and Miller. Congress has the authority to eliminate certain weapons.

Heller was directed at the STATES, not the federal government. and the overriding conclusion is that states cannot outright ban weapons that are seen as common to use by civillians. A semi auto rifle is not a crew serviced weapon, it is an "arm" and thus protected by the 2nd amendment.

That opinion can easily be interpreted to be binding on the federal government as well. Heller 1(F) opens the door for expansion of the right of Congress to limit certain weapon types and magazine capacities.

semi autos are in "common use" and thus are protected. Large capacity magazines are in "common use" and are thus protected.

Keep trying.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jake has his own, totally incorect understanding of SCOTUS Decisions

Frank, you are entitled to your opinion. However, if the American people say "eliminate this type of weapon and that type of magazine" in great numbers, Congress will walk right over the NRA.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Heller was directed at the STATES, not the federal government. and the overriding conclusion is that states cannot outright ban weapons that are seen as common to use by civillians. A semi auto rifle is not a crew serviced weapon, it is an "arm" and thus protected by the 2nd amendment.

That opinion can easily be interpreted to be binding on the federal government as well. Heller 1(F) opens the door for expansion of the right of Congress to limit certain weapon types and magazine capacities.

semi autos are in "common use" and thus are protected. Large capacity magazines are in "common use" and are thus protected.

Keep trying.

Not according to the door deliberately left open for further regulation by Heller 1(F).

 

[AquaAthena]

I caught McChrystal on Morning Joe this morning. I hope some people who oppose any gun sense in this country will consider the words of a soldier.

Stanley McChrystal: Gun Control Requires 'Serious Action' - YouTube

Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal backed banning assault weapons on Tuesday, saying guns like the M4 and M16 belong in the hands of soldiers, not on the streets.

”I spent a career carrying typically either a M16 and later, a M4 carbine,” McChrystal said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “And a M4 carbine fires a .223 caliber round, which is 5.56 millimeters, at about 3,000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed to do that. That’s what our soldiers ought to carry.”

He added, “I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America. I believe that we’ve got to take a serious look — I understand everybody’s desire to have whatever they want — we have to protect our children and our police and we have to protect our population. And I think we have to take a very mature look at that.”

Read more: Stanley McChrystal backs gun restrictions - Kevin Robillard - POLITICO.com


"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government"
Thomas Jefferson to the Republican Citizens of Washington County, Maryland" (March 31, 1809).

He also voted for Obammy in `08.

 

[martybegan]

That opinion can easily be interpreted to be binding on the federal government as well. Heller 1(F) opens the door for expansion of the right of Congress to limit certain weapon types and magazine capacities.

semi autos are in "common use" and thus are protected. Large capacity magazines are in "common use" and are thus protected.

Keep trying.

Not according to the door deliberately left open for further regulation by Heller 1(F).

Regulation, not banning. The whole concept is that you cannot just ban a type of weapon. Again, keep trying.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progs can't wait to start working 16 hours days in a field or factory with armed men standing guard.

Is McChrystal a "Prog"?

I probably don't survive it, but I'll be in heaven laughing my balls off at you fuckers. Jake in the front seat of Greenbeard's cattle car out of town going, "Hey, wait a minute!"

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I caught McChrystal on Morning Joe this morning. I hope some people who oppose any gun sense in this country will consider the words of a soldier.

Stanley McChrystal: Gun Control Requires 'Serious Action' - YouTube

Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal backed banning assault weapons on Tuesday, saying guns like the M4 and M16 belong in the hands of soldiers, not on the streets.

”I spent a career carrying typically either a M16 and later, a M4 carbine,” McChrystal said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “And a M4 carbine fires a .223 caliber round, which is 5.56 millimeters, at about 3,000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed to do that. That’s what our soldiers ought to carry.”

He added, “I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America. I believe that we’ve got to take a serious look — I understand everybody’s desire to have whatever they want — we have to protect our children and our police and we have to protect our population. And I think we have to take a very mature look at that.”

Read more: Stanley McChrystal backs gun restrictions - Kevin Robillard - POLITICO.com


"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government"
Thomas Jefferson to the Republican Citizens of Washington County, Maryland" (March 31, 1809).

He also voted for Obammy in `08.

OK

WOW

Just fucking WOW

Is that legal?

 

[JakeStarkey]

semi autos are in "common use" and thus are protected. Large capacity magazines are in "common use" and are thus protected.

Keep trying.

Not according to the door deliberately left open for further regulation by Heller 1(F).

Regulation, not banning. The whole concept is that you cannot just ban a type of weapon. Again, keep trying.

You are entitled to your wrong conclusion. I suggest you read it. carefully.

 

[Avatar4321]

I didn't realize he was the one who got to determine whether we continue to follow the Constitution or not.

 

[PredFan]

There's a shock!

Not.

 

[JustTheFacts]

I caught McChrystal on Morning Joe this morning. I hope some people who oppose any gun sense in this country will consider the words of a soldier.

Stanley McChrystal: Gun Control Requires 'Serious Action' - YouTube

Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal backed banning assault weapons on Tuesday, saying guns like the M4 and M16 belong in the hands of soldiers, not on the streets.

”I spent a career carrying typically either a M16 and later, a M4 carbine,” McChrystal said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “And a M4 carbine fires a .223 caliber round, which is 5.56 millimeters, at about 3,000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed to do that. That’s what our soldiers ought to carry.”

He added, “I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America. I believe that we’ve got to take a serious look — I understand everybody’s desire to have whatever they want — we have to protect our children and our police and we have to protect our population. And I think we have to take a very mature look at that.”

Read more: Stanley McChrystal backs gun restrictions - Kevin Robillard - POLITICO.com


"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government"
Thomas Jefferson to the Republican Citizens of Washington County, Maryland" (March 31, 1809).

You cannot get an M4 or an M16 as a civillian...........

The guns in question can just look like the military arms. They are semi automatic, non-selective fire rifles.

If you don't believe there are people out there converting their civilian version AR15s to full auto you are wrong.

That being said, I disagree with the General - sort of.

I believe Americans should have the right to own any firearm they want. I also believe the right to own should be fully divorced from "carry" and localities should have EVERY right to ban a person from having such weapons on their person; such localities would include churches, schools, court houses, or any other place where guns would be considered a danger, or in the case of private property , where the owner simply doesn't want them around.

I own an M16. Its' an older fully automatic weapon. Honestly , it's fun to shoot but a completely impractical and unreliable weapon, but that is neither here nor there. The fact is I have a right to own it, I don't have a right to carry it through the streets of my local city though.

Obviously in transit laws would apply when traveling to and fro with these types of weapons in ones vehicle.

 

[Misty]

"Assault weapon refers to different types of firearms, and is a term that has differing meanings and usages."

So until it's defined how you can ban it?

 

[JustTheFacts]

"Assault weapon refers to different types of firearms, and is a term that has differing meanings and usages."

So until it's defined how you can ban it?

For purposes of THIS discussion, assault weapon has already been defined.


Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).

Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.

Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
Detachable magazine.


now certainly we can debate if those definitions are correct, but we can't debate whether the term has been defined or not. It's right there in black and white.

Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[martybegan]

I caught McChrystal on Morning Joe this morning. I hope some people who oppose any gun sense in this country will consider the words of a soldier.

Stanley McChrystal: Gun Control Requires 'Serious Action' - YouTube

Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal backed banning assault weapons on Tuesday, saying guns like the M4 and M16 belong in the hands of soldiers, not on the streets.

”I spent a career carrying typically either a M16 and later, a M4 carbine,” McChrystal said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “And a M4 carbine fires a .223 caliber round, which is 5.56 millimeters, at about 3,000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed to do that. That’s what our soldiers ought to carry.”

He added, “I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America. I believe that we’ve got to take a serious look — I understand everybody’s desire to have whatever they want — we have to protect our children and our police and we have to protect our population. And I think we have to take a very mature look at that.”

Read more: Stanley McChrystal backs gun restrictions - Kevin Robillard - POLITICO.com


"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government"
Thomas Jefferson to the Republican Citizens of Washington County, Maryland" (March 31, 1809).

You cannot get an M4 or an M16 as a civillian...........

The guns in question can just look like the military arms. They are semi automatic, non-selective fire rifles.

If you don't believe there are people out there converting their civilian version AR15s to full auto you are wrong.

That being said, I disagree with the General - sort of.

I believe Americans should have the right to own any firearm they want. I also believe the right to own should be fully divorced from "carry" and localities should have EVERY right to ban a person from having such weapons on their person; such localities would include churches, schools, court houses, or any other place where guns would be considered a danger, or in the case of private property , where the owner simply doesn't want them around.

I own an M16. Its' an older fully automatic weapon. Honestly , it's fun to shoot but a completely impractical and unreliable weapon, but that is neither here nor there. The fact is I have a right to own it, I don't have a right to carry it through the streets of my local city though.

Obviously in transit laws would apply when traveling to and fro with these types of weapons in ones vehicle.

And they would be breaking the law.

Private property owners are fully within thier rights to ban weapons on the premeses. Controlled areas are OK to, such as courts, since they provide the security when you enter thier area. For places like schools, if you want to declare one a "gun free zone" you should really have to provide armed security and a perimeter.

 

[DiamondDave]

"Assault weapon refers to different types of firearms, and is a term that has differing meanings and usages."

So until it's defined how you can ban it?

For purposes of THIS discussion, assault weapon has already been defined.


Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).

Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.

Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
Detachable magazine.


now certainly we can debate if those definitions are correct, but we can't debate whether the term has been defined or not. It's right there in black and white.

Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So the old cosmetic definitions

Because a flash suppressor and pistol grip make it easy to kill higher numbers of people

The old definition was bullshit, and to re-use it again is bullshit

 

[JustTheFacts]

You cannot get an M4 or an M16 as a civillian...........

The guns in question can just look like the military arms. They are semi automatic, non-selective fire rifles.

If you don't believe there are people out there converting their civilian version AR15s to full auto you are wrong.

That being said, I disagree with the General - sort of.

I believe Americans should have the right to own any firearm they want. I also believe the right to own should be fully divorced from "carry" and localities should have EVERY right to ban a person from having such weapons on their person; such localities would include churches, schools, court houses, or any other place where guns would be considered a danger, or in the case of private property , where the owner simply doesn't want them around.

I own an M16. Its' an older fully automatic weapon. Honestly , it's fun to shoot but a completely impractical and unreliable weapon, but that is neither here nor there. The fact is I have a right to own it, I don't have a right to carry it through the streets of my local city though.

Obviously in transit laws would apply when traveling to and fro with these types of weapons in ones vehicle.

And they would be breaking the law.

Private property owners are fully within thier rights to ban weapons on the premeses. Controlled areas are OK to, such as courts, since they provide the security when you enter thier area. For places like schools, if you want to declare one a "gun free zone" you should really have to provide armed security and a perimeter.

I don't know what you mean by they would be breaking the law.

But I do agree that schools should be fenced in and guarded by armed police. Already done where I live.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Oh look... another mindless thread on gun control.

Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal backed banning assault weapons on Tuesday, saying guns like the M4 and M16 belong in the hands of soldiers, not on the streets.

1: So what?
2: How many legally owned M16 and M4s have been used in a crime?
3: How will the sales of M16s and M4s will affected by an 'assault weapon' ban?

And a M4 carbine fires a .223 caliber round, which is 5.56 millimeters, at about 3,000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed to do that. That’s what our soldiers ought to carry.”

So what?
So does the Remington M700 and a zillion other rifles.
MOST rifles shoot heavier bullets that do a LOT more damage than .223/5.56x45

He added, “I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America.

So what?