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KarlMarx said:Fine, if you like it so much, you ought to be willing to pay for it instead of expecting every taxpayer to foot the bill for you.
Besides, you are the first to complain about the budget and the enormous amount of fiscal spending when it is used to impugn Republicans, but the first to cry "foul" when the Republicans actually try to do something about the government's runaway spending!
It's interesting that, inspite of Sesame Street and Public Television, SAT scores and academic achievment amongst American youngster has plummeted. There just no getting around it.... if you really want to learn something.... READ A BOOK.... some things just can't be improved upon.gop_jeff said:I love Nova, and I grew up on Sesame Street. However, given the success of these shows, I have no doubt that they would be bought by private TV stations, like Discovery, Nickelodeon, FOX, etc., and be maintained.
The GOP's point, which I agree with, is the the federal government has no place providing money for TV broadcasting or arts endowments.
Hey when I'm good I'm very, very goodLuvRPgrl said:now I understand all your rep points ! :happy2:
If Republicans want to cut the "government's" spending, I'd much rather they cut funding to the Iraqi catastrophe than they cut my PBS. Or how about some cuts to the massive, wasteful bureacracy they built called "The Dept. of Homeland Security." Or how about raising taxes on corporations who outsource their labor to China for selling their shitty, non-American produced goods within our borders? Or how about cutting the payraise Congress gave itself four years ago? Give me a break dude. A public educational resource like PBS is the last thing that needs to be cut in this country.KarlMarx said:Fine, if you like it so much, you ought to be willing to pay for it instead of expecting every taxpayer to foot the bill for you.
The Corporation for Public Broadcasting was a good idea when was first conceived, back in 1967 or so. Back then, there were the "big 3" networks, and cable television was little more than local stations from other cities.
That has all changed now. We have many educational and cultural channels (History Channel, The Learning Channel, The Science Channel, CSPAN, BBC America, A&E, the History International Channel....), the argument for a publicly funded network isn't as convincing today.
Besides, you are the first to complain about the budget and the enormous amount of fiscal spending when it is used to impugn Republicans, but the first to cry "foul" when the Republicans actually try to do something about the government's runaway spending!
Hagbard Celine said:If Republicans want to cut the "government's" spending, I'd much rather they cut funding to the Iraqi catastrophe than they cut my PBS. Or how about some cuts to the massive, wasteful bureacracy they built called "The Dept. of Homeland Security." Or how about raising taxes on corporations who outsource their labor to China for selling their shitty, non-American produced goods within our borders? Or how about cutting the payraise Congress gave itself four years ago? Give me a break dude. A public educational resource like PBS is the last thing that needs to be cut in this country.
KarlMarx said:...BTW.... If you REALLY wanted to do something about the state of education in this country... banish all teacher's unions immediately... since public school teachers became unionized in 1963, SAT scores have taken a nose dive and are no where near what they were in 1962.
So tell me, counsellor, is that where "separation of church and state" was decided?Abbey Normal said:Interestingly, the decision which prohibited the state from sponsoring specific prayers in public schools, Engel v. Vitale, was decided in 1962...
If you haven't noticed, which you probably haven't because you were too busy being self-righeous, we're fighting Iraqis, not al-Qaeda.KarlMarx said:Oh gee... you'd be the first to complain when Al Queda leveled a city or a sky scraper.!!!!
Very smart, let's cut education so we can fund more wars! "Are you with me toothless Joe?! Yeeeehaw!"Speaking of bloated, do nothing, total waste of tax payer money, how about we cut that travesty named "The Department of Education"? Since its inception during the Carter Administration the state of public education has suffered. It is not helping, get rid of it.
I'm with you, ever heard of the drug war?If you want to talk about a long drawn out war with nothing to show for results, then talk about the "war on poverty". Six Trillion dollars and 40 years later and the number of poor people in this country as a percentage of the population is about the same as it was in 1963, when the so called "Great Society" was started.
No, they outsource their labor because its cheaper and they get tax cuts for doing it and they know fat, buffet-eating Americans will buy their crap no matter what they do because most of them are uninformed yokels.As for raising taxes on corporations to companies that outsource their labor to China... why do you think they do? Over-regulation by the government and too much litigation! If anything is voodoo economics it is the pseudo-socialist economics that comes out of Washington DC.
I've said it before in another post...teachers, like lawyers and doctors, should have to take classes every year to keep up to date. Any teacher who can't keep his/her curriculum updated and churn-out good pupils should be let go to keep standards high.BTW.... If you REALLY wanted to do something about the state of education in this country... banish all teacher's unions immediately... since public school teachers became unionized in 1963, SAT scores have taken a nose dive and are no where near what they were in 1962.
Abbey Normal said:I'm too removed to remember all this, but there was previously a famous case known as McCollum v. Board of Education, decided in 1948. The Supreme Court held that "public schools in Champaign, Illinois, violated the separation of church and state by allowing religious groups to teach religious classes to students in the schools during the school day."
The 1962 case is the famous "school prayer" case. The Madalyn Murray-O'Hair case regarding bible study in school was in 1963.
I think Avatar (?) is in law school right now, so he would be more versed in Con Law.
Avatar4321 said:We are still working on the separations of power. We dont get to the Bill of rights until next semester.
In case you haven't noticed, the Dept of Homeland Security isn't involved with the fighting in Iraq, that is the Department of Defense, but of course, you probably didn't know that.If you haven't noticed, which you probably haven't because you were too busy being self-righeous, we're fighting Iraqis, not al-Qaeda.
Spare me the tired cliches and sanctimonious platitudes HC... I've heard them all before....Very smart, let's cut education so we can fund more wars! "Are you with me toothless Joe?! Yeeeehaw!"
Hey, have you ever sat on a Grand Jury? I have... most of the murders and mayhem are due to crack, speed and drugs..... let's keep fighting that war.I'm with you, ever heard of the drug war?
Sad to say, yes, much of our economy is coming from China. As I said before, a lot of it is due to government regulation, and to litigation. Also, the Chinese have artificially lowered the value of their currency, so they appear to be a cheap labor force (the Bush Administration and other governments have been pressuring the government of the PRC to allow its currency to "float" to address this problem). The buffet eating Americans include YOU, too. You and I both benefit from this situation. For one thing, the rate of inflation is low, also the fact that much of the work is going overseas allows the American economy to expand in other, more profitable areas e.g. information services, financial services etc. That's how a free market economy works. If American corporations did not outsource their labor to China and other countries, their competitors in other countries would still continue to do so. BTW... what "loss of jobs" are we talking about? The unemployment rate is at 5%, better than the average unemployment rate during the Clinton Administration.No, they outsource their labor because its cheaper and they get tax cuts for doing it and they know fat, buffet-eating Americans will buy their crap no matter what they do because most of them are uninformed yokels.
So why aren't those teachers let go and replaced with teachers who have "kept their curricula updated"? Because the school districts know that the local teacher's union will take them to court to get those teachers reinstated.I've said it before in another post...teachers, like lawyers and doctors, should have to take classes every year to keep up to date. Any teacher who can't keep his/her curriculum updated and churn-out good pupils should be let go to keep standards high.
The fact is that scores have been dropping since 1963 even if you take the "retooling" into account. The number of teachers teaching our children have increased since 1963 (so it's not for lack of teachers), the average size of a classroom has shrunk by a substantial percentage since 1963 (so it's not classroom size).... the fact is kids today don't know as much as their parents or grandparents did....The SAT has been retooled several times since 1963. I think the test kids take today is harder than the one I took in 2000. Plus, more kids take it today than did in the 60s and 70s, which automatically lowers overall averages.
Hagbard Celine said:If Republicans want to cut the "government's" spending, I'd much rather they cut funding to the Iraqi catastrophe than they cut my PBS. Or how about some cuts to the massive, wasteful bureacracy they built called "The Dept. of Homeland Security." Or how about raising taxes on corporations who outsource their labor to China for selling their shitty, non-American produced goods within our borders? Or how about cutting the payraise Congress gave itself four years ago? Give me a break dude. A public educational resource like PBS is the last thing that needs to be cut in this country.
theim said:And if you're upset at corporations for moving their business outside the US, some introspection may be in order. Make it more profitable for them to do business HERE. Don't be campaigning every election talking about how you're going to tax them 'till they bleed.
Abbey Normal said:Unless your law school is very unusual, it will be all be taught by from a liberal pov by a liberal professor.
KarlMarx said:In case you haven't noticed, the Dept of Homeland Security isn't involved with the fighting in Iraq, that is the Department of Defense, but of course, you probably didn't know that.
Spare me the tired cliches and sanctimonious platitudes HC... I've heard them all before....
Let's talk facts instead of lifting lines from Senator Clinton's last political speech...
For your information, we spend an average of 10,000 dollars per student per year on Education, if you include the amount of money that homeowners like myself fork over in property taxes. Over the course of 13 years (K-12), that's 130,000 dollars per child over the course of their public school career. So where does all that money go? Much of it goes to the Teachers' Unions, not towards educating little Johnny or Jane. And that's the way the Teachers' Unions like it since they stand to reap the windfall from much of that income. Of course, the Teachers' Unions little stooges, aka the Democrats, fight tooth and nail to preserve the status quo, since the Teachers Unions are the DNC's biggest contributors. In the meantime, Johnny can't read, little Jane can't add but they both know how to use a condom!
Hey, have you ever sat on a Grand Jury? I have... most of the murders and mayhem are due to crack, speed and drugs..... let's keep fighting that war.
Sad to say, yes, much of our economy is coming from China. As I said before, a lot of it is due to government regulation, and to litigation. Also, the Chinese have artificially lowered the value of their currency, so they appear to be a cheap labor force (the Bush Administration and other governments have been pressuring the government of the PRC to allow its currency to "float" to address this problem). The buffet eating Americans include YOU, too. You and I both benefit from this situation. For one thing, the rate of inflation is low, also the fact that much of the work is going overseas allows the American economy to expand in other, more profitable areas e.g. information services, financial services etc. That's how a free market economy works. If American corporations did not outsource their labor to China and other countries, their competitors in other countries would still continue to do so. BTW... what "loss of jobs" are we talking about? The unemployment rate is at 5%, better than the average unemployment rate during the Clinton Administration.
So why aren't those teachers let go and replaced with teachers who have "kept their curricula updated"? Because the school districts know that the local teacher's union will take them to court to get those teachers reinstated.
Good teachers aren't allowed to teach (discipline a student and risk a lawsuit).... schools aren't allowed to fire incompetent teachers (the local teacher's union would object and cause a stir)..... standardized tests have been opposed by the country's largest teacher's union, the National Education Association or NEA, since they were first proposed (and by the Clintons and other Democrats as well)..... school vouchers have also been opposed by the NEA even though they have been shown to help poor disadvantaged minorities in school districts that have poor schools. All because of the Teachers' Unions.
BTW.... name one other profession that has "tenure" outside of education... i.e. a guaranteed job to those who have so many years on the job... that's right, there IS no other profession that has tenure! So if a teacher that has been around for 15-20 years decides that he or she isn't going to keep up to date on their curricula, what motivation do they have to do a good job?
The fact is that scores have been dropping since 1963 even if you take the "retooling" into account. The number of teachers teaching our children have increased since 1963 (so it's not for lack of teachers), the average size of a classroom has shrunk by a substantial percentage since 1963 (so it's not classroom size).... the fact is kids today don't know as much as their parents or grandparents did....
Hobbit said:I'll add to that, since my mom has been teaching for years.
Back when my mom started, schools were far better than they are now. The kids had heros like astronauts and whatnot that actually required education. Now, the kids have no-talent hacks in Hollywood or the music business or the elites of the sports world as heroes. Either that, or they have no ambition whatsoever. Either way, high school just doesn't matter to them. Actually, this is going to get rather long. Look for a new thread in the general forum.