Republicans: Stop funding PBS and Nat'l Endowment for the Arts

[musicman]

Am I wrong, or does part of your cable TV bill go to PBS anyhow?

 

[5stringJeff]

I love Nova, and I grew up on Sesame Street. However, given the success of these shows, I have no doubt that they would be bought by private TV stations, like Discovery, Nickelodeon, FOX, etc., and be maintained.

The GOP's point, which I agree with, is the the federal government has no place providing money for TV broadcasting or arts endowments.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Fine, if you like it so much, you ought to be willing to pay for it instead of expecting every taxpayer to foot the bill for you.



Besides, you are the first to complain about the budget and the enormous amount of fiscal spending when it is used to impugn Republicans, but the first to cry "foul" when the Republicans actually try to do something about the government's runaway spending!

now I understand all your rep points ! :happy2:

 

[KarlMarx]

I love Nova, and I grew up on Sesame Street. However, given the success of these shows, I have no doubt that they would be bought by private TV stations, like Discovery, Nickelodeon, FOX, etc., and be maintained.

The GOP's point, which I agree with, is the the federal government has no place providing money for TV broadcasting or arts endowments.

It's interesting that, inspite of Sesame Street and Public Television, SAT scores and academic achievment amongst American youngster has plummeted. There just no getting around it.... if you really want to learn something.... READ A BOOK.... some things just can't be improved upon.

Oh... and by the way..... as far as art funding goes.... make that private too.... why? When artists have to rely on private funding watch their attitude toward the public change.... pieces like "Piss Christ" will go the way of the horse and buggy.... and don't tell me it won't work..... Leonardo Da Vinci, Michael Angelo and all of the masters worked under a system of private patronage (as did Mozart, Bach and Beethoven).... and look a the crap they produced! We now are stuck with tripe like the Sistene Chapel, "The Last Supper", and "La Pieta"....

 

[KarlMarx]

now I understand all your rep points ! :happy2:

Hey when I'm good I'm very, very good

but

when I'm bad, I'm even better!

 

[Hagbard Celine]

Fine, if you like it so much, you ought to be willing to pay for it instead of expecting every taxpayer to foot the bill for you.

The Corporation for Public Broadcasting was a good idea when was first conceived, back in 1967 or so. Back then, there were the "big 3" networks, and cable television was little more than local stations from other cities.

That has all changed now. We have many educational and cultural channels (History Channel, The Learning Channel, The Science Channel, CSPAN, BBC America, A&E, the History International Channel....), the argument for a publicly funded network isn't as convincing today.

Besides, you are the first to complain about the budget and the enormous amount of fiscal spending when it is used to impugn Republicans, but the first to cry "foul" when the Republicans actually try to do something about the government's runaway spending!

If Republicans want to cut the "government's" spending, I'd much rather they cut funding to the Iraqi catastrophe than they cut my PBS. Or how about some cuts to the massive, wasteful bureacracy they built called "The Dept. of Homeland Security." Or how about raising taxes on corporations who outsource their labor to China for selling their shitty, non-American produced goods within our borders? Or how about cutting the payraise Congress gave itself four years ago? Give me a break dude. A public educational resource like PBS is the last thing that needs to be cut in this country.

 

[KarlMarx]

If Republicans want to cut the "government's" spending, I'd much rather they cut funding to the Iraqi catastrophe than they cut my PBS. Or how about some cuts to the massive, wasteful bureacracy they built called "The Dept. of Homeland Security." Or how about raising taxes on corporations who outsource their labor to China for selling their shitty, non-American produced goods within our borders? Or how about cutting the payraise Congress gave itself four years ago? Give me a break dude. A public educational resource like PBS is the last thing that needs to be cut in this country.

Oh gee... you'd be the first to complain when Al Queda leveled a city or a sky scraper.!!!!

Speaking of bloated, do nothing, total waste of tax payer money, how about we cut that travesty named "The Department of Education"? Since its inception during the Carter Administration the state of public education has suffered. It is not helping, get rid of it.

If you want to talk about a long drawn out war with nothing to show for results, then talk about the "war on poverty". Six Trillion dollars and 40 years later and the number of poor people in this country as a percentage of the population is about the same as it was in 1963, when the so called "Great Society" was started.

As for raising taxes on corporations to companies that outsource their labor to China... why do you think they do? Over-regulation by the government and too much litigation! If anything is voodoo economics it is the pseudo-socialist economics that comes out of Washington DC.

BTW.... If you REALLY wanted to do something about the state of education in this country... banish all teacher's unions immediately... since public school teachers became unionized in 1963, SAT scores have taken a nose dive and are no where near what they were in 1962.

 

[Abbey Normal]

...BTW.... If you REALLY wanted to do something about the state of education in this country... banish all teacher's unions immediately... since public school teachers became unionized in 1963, SAT scores have taken a nose dive and are no where near what they were in 1962.

Interestingly, the decision which prohibited the state from sponsoring specific prayers in public schools, Engel v. Vitale, was decided in 1962...

 

[KarlMarx]

Interestingly, the decision which prohibited the state from sponsoring specific prayers in public schools, Engel v. Vitale, was decided in 1962...

So tell me, counsellor, is that where "separation of church and state" was decided?

 

[Hagbard Celine]

Oh gee... you'd be the first to complain when Al Queda leveled a city or a sky scraper.!!!!

If you haven't noticed, which you probably haven't because you were too busy being self-righeous, we're fighting Iraqis, not al-Qaeda.

Speaking of bloated, do nothing, total waste of tax payer money, how about we cut that travesty named "The Department of Education"? Since its inception during the Carter Administration the state of public education has suffered. It is not helping, get rid of it.

Very smart, let's cut education so we can fund more wars! "Are you with me toothless Joe?! Yeeeehaw!"

If you want to talk about a long drawn out war with nothing to show for results, then talk about the "war on poverty". Six Trillion dollars and 40 years later and the number of poor people in this country as a percentage of the population is about the same as it was in 1963, when the so called "Great Society" was started.

I'm with you, ever heard of the drug war?

As for raising taxes on corporations to companies that outsource their labor to China... why do you think they do? Over-regulation by the government and too much litigation! If anything is voodoo economics it is the pseudo-socialist economics that comes out of Washington DC.

No, they outsource their labor because its cheaper and they get tax cuts for doing it and they know fat, buffet-eating Americans will buy their crap no matter what they do because most of them are uninformed yokels.

BTW.... If you REALLY wanted to do something about the state of education in this country... banish all teacher's unions immediately... since public school teachers became unionized in 1963, SAT scores have taken a nose dive and are no where near what they were in 1962.

I've said it before in another post...teachers, like lawyers and doctors, should have to take classes every year to keep up to date. Any teacher who can't keep his/her curriculum updated and churn-out good pupils should be let go to keep standards high.

The SAT has been retooled several times since 1963. I think the test kids take today is harder than the one I took in 2000. Plus, more kids take it today than did in the 60s and 70s, which automatically lowers overall averages.

 

[Abbey Normal]

I'm too removed to remember all this, but there was previously a famous case known as McCollum v. Board of Education, decided in 1948. The Supreme Court held that "public schools in Champaign, Illinois, violated the separation of church and state by allowing religious groups to teach religious classes to students in the schools during the school day."

The 1962 case is the famous "school prayer" case. The Madalyn Murray-O'Hair case regarding bible study in school was in 1963.

I think Avatar (?) is in law school right now, so he would be more versed in Con Law.

 

[Avatar4321]

I'm too removed to remember all this, but there was previously a famous case known as McCollum v. Board of Education, decided in 1948. The Supreme Court held that "public schools in Champaign, Illinois, violated the separation of church and state by allowing religious groups to teach religious classes to students in the schools during the school day."

The 1962 case is the famous "school prayer" case. The Madalyn Murray-O'Hair case regarding bible study in school was in 1963.

I think Avatar (?) is in law school right now, so he would be more versed in Con Law.

We are still working on the separations of power. We dont get to the Bill of rights until next semester.

 

[Abbey Normal]

We are still working on the separations of power. We dont get to the Bill of rights until next semester.

Unless your law school is very unusual, it will be all be taught by from a liberal pov by a liberal professor.

 

[KarlMarx]

If you haven't noticed, which you probably haven't because you were too busy being self-righeous, we're fighting Iraqis, not al-Qaeda.

In case you haven't noticed, the Dept of Homeland Security isn't involved with the fighting in Iraq, that is the Department of Defense, but of course, you probably didn't know that.

Very smart, let's cut education so we can fund more wars! "Are you with me toothless Joe?! Yeeeehaw!"

Spare me the tired cliches and sanctimonious platitudes HC... I've heard them all before....

Let's talk facts instead of lifting lines from Senator Clinton's last political speech...

For your information, we spend an average of 10,000 dollars per student per year on Education, if you include the amount of money that homeowners like myself fork over in property taxes. Over the course of 13 years (K-12), that's 130,000 dollars per child over the course of their public school career. So where does all that money go? Much of it goes to the Teachers' Unions, not towards educating little Johnny or Jane. And that's the way the Teachers' Unions like it since they stand to reap the windfall from much of that income. Of course, the Teachers' Unions little stooges, aka the Democrats, fight tooth and nail to preserve the status quo, since the Teachers Unions are the DNC's biggest contributors. In the meantime, Johnny can't read, little Jane can't add but they both know how to use a condom!

I'm with you, ever heard of the drug war?

Hey, have you ever sat on a Grand Jury? I have... most of the murders and mayhem are due to crack, speed and drugs..... let's keep fighting that war.

No, they outsource their labor because its cheaper and they get tax cuts for doing it and they know fat, buffet-eating Americans will buy their crap no matter what they do because most of them are uninformed yokels.

Sad to say, yes, much of our economy is coming from China. As I said before, a lot of it is due to government regulation, and to litigation. Also, the Chinese have artificially lowered the value of their currency, so they appear to be a cheap labor force (the Bush Administration and other governments have been pressuring the government of the PRC to allow its currency to "float" to address this problem). The buffet eating Americans include YOU, too. You and I both benefit from this situation. For one thing, the rate of inflation is low, also the fact that much of the work is going overseas allows the American economy to expand in other, more profitable areas e.g. information services, financial services etc. That's how a free market economy works. If American corporations did not outsource their labor to China and other countries, their competitors in other countries would still continue to do so. BTW... what "loss of jobs" are we talking about? The unemployment rate is at 5%, better than the average unemployment rate during the Clinton Administration.

I've said it before in another post...teachers, like lawyers and doctors, should have to take classes every year to keep up to date. Any teacher who can't keep his/her curriculum updated and churn-out good pupils should be let go to keep standards high.

So why aren't those teachers let go and replaced with teachers who have "kept their curricula updated"? Because the school districts know that the local teacher's union will take them to court to get those teachers reinstated.

Good teachers aren't allowed to teach (discipline a student and risk a lawsuit).... schools aren't allowed to fire incompetent teachers (the local teacher's union would object and cause a stir)..... standardized tests have been opposed by the country's largest teacher's union, the National Education Association or NEA, since they were first proposed (and by the Clintons and other Democrats as well)..... school vouchers have also been opposed by the NEA even though they have been shown to help poor disadvantaged minorities in school districts that have poor schools. All because of the Teachers' Unions.

BTW.... name one other profession that has "tenure" outside of education... i.e. a guaranteed job to those who have so many years on the job... that's right, there IS no other profession that has tenure! So if a teacher that has been around for 15-20 years decides that he or she isn't going to keep up to date on their curricula, what motivation do they have to do a good job?

The SAT has been retooled several times since 1963. I think the test kids take today is harder than the one I took in 2000. Plus, more kids take it today than did in the 60s and 70s, which automatically lowers overall averages.

The fact is that scores have been dropping since 1963 even if you take the "retooling" into account. The number of teachers teaching our children have increased since 1963 (so it's not for lack of teachers), the average size of a classroom has shrunk by a substantial percentage since 1963 (so it's not classroom size).... the fact is kids today don't know as much as their parents or grandparents did....

 

[theim]

If Republicans want to cut the "government's" spending, I'd much rather they cut funding to the Iraqi catastrophe than they cut my PBS. Or how about some cuts to the massive, wasteful bureacracy they built called "The Dept. of Homeland Security." Or how about raising taxes on corporations who outsource their labor to China for selling their shitty, non-American produced goods within our borders? Or how about cutting the payraise Congress gave itself four years ago? Give me a break dude. A public educational resource like PBS is the last thing that needs to be cut in this country.

A Proactive War on Terror is a liiiiiitle more important than PBS. Wanna watch a nice documentary? Try the Discovery Channel or the History Channel. The Disney Channel and Toon Disney have some nice cartoons for kids. If you want news there are a ton of channels for that also. With most people having cable a government-funded TV network makes no sense. PBS is simply money better spent on something else.

And if you're upset at corporations for moving their business outside the US, some introspection may be in order. Make it more profitable for them to do business HERE. Don't be campaigning every election talking about how you're going to tax them 'till they bleed.

 

[KarlMarx]

And if you're upset at corporations for moving their business outside the US, some introspection may be in order. Make it more profitable for them to do business HERE. Don't be campaigning every election talking about how you're going to tax them 'till they bleed.

When a politicians says "I am going to provide such and such a service".... he is in effect saying "I am going to raise your taxes"

When a politician says "I am going to lower your taxes" he is in effect saying "I am going to cut your services"....

There isn't a third option....

The old chestnut "there's no such thing as a free lunch" is very true when it comes to government spending... SOMEONE has to pay for it.... and the government isn't the one that does....

The Lord giveth and taketh away... but government just taketh..... they taketh your money and unless you remember what I just said.... the politicians will taketh you for a ride!!!

 

[Avatar4321]

Unless your law school is very unusual, it will be all be taught by from a liberal pov by a liberal professor.

If the professor I have now is liberal, he is really good at hiding it.

 

[Avatar4321]

Although it seems like a side issue the Department of Education really is unconstitutional. There is no provision in the Constitution that allows the Federal government to be involved with education.

With that said, I dont think any politician would have the balls to actually disolve the department or even cut funding from it. We could be wasting billions of dollars in it and provide far more efficient ways to spend the money, yet the politics involved it it would never allow. And there is no way the Courts will eliminate the department either..

The fact is we are stuck with it right now until people wake up and start remember the principles of small government.

 

[Hobbit]

In case you haven't noticed, the Dept of Homeland Security isn't involved with the fighting in Iraq, that is the Department of Defense, but of course, you probably didn't know that.


Spare me the tired cliches and sanctimonious platitudes HC... I've heard them all before....

Let's talk facts instead of lifting lines from Senator Clinton's last political speech...

For your information, we spend an average of 10,000 dollars per student per year on Education, if you include the amount of money that homeowners like myself fork over in property taxes. Over the course of 13 years (K-12), that's 130,000 dollars per child over the course of their public school career. So where does all that money go? Much of it goes to the Teachers' Unions, not towards educating little Johnny or Jane. And that's the way the Teachers' Unions like it since they stand to reap the windfall from much of that income. Of course, the Teachers' Unions little stooges, aka the Democrats, fight tooth and nail to preserve the status quo, since the Teachers Unions are the DNC's biggest contributors. In the meantime, Johnny can't read, little Jane can't add but they both know how to use a condom!


Hey, have you ever sat on a Grand Jury? I have... most of the murders and mayhem are due to crack, speed and drugs..... let's keep fighting that war.


Sad to say, yes, much of our economy is coming from China. As I said before, a lot of it is due to government regulation, and to litigation. Also, the Chinese have artificially lowered the value of their currency, so they appear to be a cheap labor force (the Bush Administration and other governments have been pressuring the government of the PRC to allow its currency to "float" to address this problem). The buffet eating Americans include YOU, too. You and I both benefit from this situation. For one thing, the rate of inflation is low, also the fact that much of the work is going overseas allows the American economy to expand in other, more profitable areas e.g. information services, financial services etc. That's how a free market economy works. If American corporations did not outsource their labor to China and other countries, their competitors in other countries would still continue to do so. BTW... what "loss of jobs" are we talking about? The unemployment rate is at 5%, better than the average unemployment rate during the Clinton Administration.


So why aren't those teachers let go and replaced with teachers who have "kept their curricula updated"? Because the school districts know that the local teacher's union will take them to court to get those teachers reinstated.

Good teachers aren't allowed to teach (discipline a student and risk a lawsuit).... schools aren't allowed to fire incompetent teachers (the local teacher's union would object and cause a stir)..... standardized tests have been opposed by the country's largest teacher's union, the National Education Association or NEA, since they were first proposed (and by the Clintons and other Democrats as well)..... school vouchers have also been opposed by the NEA even though they have been shown to help poor disadvantaged minorities in school districts that have poor schools. All because of the Teachers' Unions.

BTW.... name one other profession that has "tenure" outside of education... i.e. a guaranteed job to those who have so many years on the job... that's right, there IS no other profession that has tenure! So if a teacher that has been around for 15-20 years decides that he or she isn't going to keep up to date on their curricula, what motivation do they have to do a good job?


The fact is that scores have been dropping since 1963 even if you take the "retooling" into account. The number of teachers teaching our children have increased since 1963 (so it's not for lack of teachers), the average size of a classroom has shrunk by a substantial percentage since 1963 (so it's not classroom size).... the fact is kids today don't know as much as their parents or grandparents did....

I'll add to that, since my mom has been teaching for years.

Back when my mom started, schools were far better than they are now. The kids had heros like astronauts and whatnot that actually required education. Now, the kids have no-talent hacks in Hollywood or the music business or the elites of the sports world as heroes. Either that, or they have no ambition whatsoever. Either way, high school just doesn't matter to them. Actually, this is going to get rather long. Look for a new thread in the general forum.

 

[theim]

I'll add to that, since my mom has been teaching for years.

Back when my mom started, schools were far better than they are now. The kids had heros like astronauts and whatnot that actually required education. Now, the kids have no-talent hacks in Hollywood or the music business or the elites of the sports world as heroes. Either that, or they have no ambition whatsoever. Either way, high school just doesn't matter to them. Actually, this is going to get rather long. Look for a new thread in the general forum.

Hell just look at Paris Hilton and Nichole Richie. Just act like a big enough slut and get your own TV show!