Republicans be honest: if Trump were president during the Cuban Missile Crisis, how do you think...

[Billy000]

...that would have turned out?

Can you see Trump achieving what Kennedy did? No you cannot. Just admit it - that would have been a terrifying time to be alive.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

JFK pretty much fucked that whole thing up. I wouldn't bring that up if I were you.

 

[radical right]

JFK pretty much fucked that whole thing up. I wouldn't bring that up if I were you.

we have the white house tapes of what happened. The generals told JFK the missles weren't armed, that Castro didn't have the launch codes, and they recommended invasion.

All the wrong things.

 

[radical right]

If Trump was POTUS during the Cuban missile crisis, the first thing they would have to do is brief Trump that Cuba is an island, surrounded by deep water, ocean water.

 

[Dale Smith]

...that would have turned out?

Can you see Trump achieving what Kennedy did? No you cannot. Just admit it - that would have been a terrifying time to be alive.

It was terrifying then and "Yes", I believe that PRESIDENT Trump would have led us through this time. You are simply butthurt because the commie left has been taking an asskicking.

 

[radical right]

Trump would have gone with the recommendations of the Generals. Launch an invasion of Cuba.

Wrong answer. Cue the nuclear launch, Cue our response against Cuba... Cue the Soviet response against the USA.... Cue the USA response against Russia....

Cue Charlton Heston at the statue of liberty (planet of the apes)

 

[Frankeneinstein]

...that would have turned out?

Can you see Trump achieving what Kennedy did? No you cannot. Just admit it - that would have been a terrifying time to be alive.

"it would have been a terrifying time to be alive"? it was one of the most terrifying times to be alive in America, the only thing more terrifying to me is "PRESIDENT HILLARY"...while we are on the subject, liberals are the only ones these things happen to/with...Formation of the KKK, the only ones to ever use nukes on fellow humans, nukes on our shore, near nuclear exchange, viet nam, and blaming America for all of it.

 

[deannalw]

If shmiff.
If frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their butts when they hop.

 

[radical right]

...that would have turned out?

Can you see Trump achieving what Kennedy did? No you cannot. Just admit it - that would have been a terrifying time to be alive.

It was terrifying then and "Yes", I believe that PRESIDENT Trump would have led us through this time. You are simply butthurt because the commie left has been taking an asskicking.

Trump would have been supporting the russians.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

...that would have turned out?

Can you see Trump achieving what Kennedy did? No you cannot. Just admit it - that would have been a terrifying time to be alive.

we capitulated

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

JFK pretty much fucked that whole thing up. I wouldn't bring that up if I were you.

What EXACTLY did JFK screw up back in Oct 1962 before, during and/or after that fucked up the "whole thing" as you claim, hotshot? I remember it very clearly as if it were yesterday, and if Khrushchev had the same sense of priorities and maturity as the Orange Clown back then, what was left of humanity today would be living back in the Stone Age as the species died off. Show us all your truth and wisdom, Mr. Know-It-All and how, "JFK pretty much fucked that whole thing up."

 

[radical right]

...that would have turned out?

Can you see Trump achieving what Kennedy did? No you cannot. Just admit it - that would have been a terrifying time to be alive.

we capitulated

Which prevented a nuclear war.

 

[Andylusion]

...that would have turned out?

Can you see Trump achieving what Kennedy did? No you cannot. Just admit it - that would have been a terrifying time to be alive.

You do realize that it was JFK that caused the Cuban Missile crisis..... right? Did you not know that?

Regardless.... I'll answer your question.

The events and world situation that led to the Cuban Missile crisis were completely different than the world we have today.

If Trump had been alive during that time, and of age to run for office, he himself would be a completely different person than who he is now. The time period you grow up in, greatly influences the views and actions you see and take.

So the Trump of 1962 would be a completely different person than the Trump of 2017.

How would a 2017 Trump handle a 1962 situation? I don't know. Hard to say. What I do know is that the 2017 version of Trump, simply wouldn't exist in 1962.

Equally, the public of 1962 had completely different views, concerns, and opinions than the public of 2017.

For one thing, the public of 1962 had not been called racists non-stop for the past 8 years of their lives, even when they had a black president.

Thus it is safe to assume the public of 1962 would choose different politicians than the public of today, that have been attacked constantly by the race-baiting, non-stop accusations of the rabid immoral and hate driven left-wing we have today.

Now if you can take the pond scum left-wing of today, and have them abuse the public of 1956 to 1962, then maybe they would vote similarly to how people today vote.

 

[radical right]

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For one thing, the public of 1962 had not been called racists non-stop for the past 8 years of their lives, even when they had a black president.

Thus it is safe to assume the public of 1962 would choose different politicians than the public of today, that have been attacked constantly by the race-baiting, non-stop accusations of the rabid immoral and hate driven left-wing we have today.
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Actually the public of 1962 had been called racist for the previous 8 years, because they were racist for the last 8 years. Brown vs Board of Ed, 1954, Eisenhower sent the troops into Little Rock 1957, Montgomery lunch counter sit-in 1960.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Who fucking cares?

what kind of utter nonsensical bs 'what if' is this...

 

[Andylusion]

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For one thing, the public of 1962 had not been called racists non-stop for the past 8 years of their lives, even when they had a black president.

Thus it is safe to assume the public of 1962 would choose different politicians than the public of today, that have been attacked constantly by the race-baiting, non-stop accusations of the rabid immoral and hate driven left-wing we have today.
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Actually the public of 1962 had been called racist for the previous 8 years, because they were racist for the last 8 years. Brown vs Board of Ed, 1954, Eisenhower sent the troops into Little Rock 1957, Montgomery lunch counter sit-in 1960.

No, not even close. The movement of that time, was nothing like that non-stop attacks we've seen today.

And honestly, it's because they had actual reasons for the movement. The whole Brown vs Board of Education, wasn't an attack at society. It was a fight against an actual law that needed changed, and rightly so.

This was fighting against real race based laws.

The last 8 years we've had today, were basically any time anyone questioned anything Obama did, they were savagely accused of being racist. With or without reason. With or without evidence. Not directed at a law, or a policy, or something in society. Just simply attacking everyone that disagreed with anything....

"I'm not sure about this stimulus bill...."

RACIST!

"I don't like this health care reform...."

RACIST!

"I don't think we're handling Iraq very well..."

YOU ARE RACISTS!

What you see above........ is nothing like the 1960s. Not even close.

 

[IsaacNewton]

...that would have turned out?

Can you see Trump achieving what Kennedy did? No you cannot. Just admit it - that would have been a terrifying time to be alive.

They don't think rationally, the answers you will get are 'JFK was an idiot Trump would know how to handle it'. And they'll believe that. Ignorance doesn't know it is ignorant.

 

[SeaGal]

...that would have turned out?

Can you see Trump achieving what Kennedy did? No you cannot. Just admit it - that would have been a terrifying time to be alive.

They don't think rationally, the answers you will get are 'JFK was an idiot Trump would know how to handle it'. And they'll believe that. Ignorance doesn't know it is ignorant.

The only ignorance on display here is expecting anything other than speculation in response to a hypothetical scenario - that said - There wouldn't have been a missile crises, the Bay of Pigs invasion wouldn't have been labeled an 'utter failure' and Marilyn Monroe would have entered the White House through the front door.

You are right about one thing though...

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

...that would have turned out?

Can you see Trump achieving what Kennedy did?

He wouldn't have achieved it without Bobby coming up with the blockade idea.

 

[SavannahMann]

There are a number of points in history where only one person could have done what was done. Not just politics, but in a variety of situations. Sticking with Politics, and starting with the Cuban Missile Crisis, only Kennedy could have done what he did during the crisis.

No other President before, or since could have. Any other President would have bowed to the demands of the Military to bomb the anti aircraft sites. That would have led to a retaliatory strike on either Berlin, or Florida. Only Kennedy would have the certainty to stand up and refuse the Military demands. Eisenhower would not, LBJ would not.

No one else could have done what Kennedy did. That is why he is so admired. But there are other points. There is an old saying. Only Nixon could have gone to China. The reason that saying is used, and true, is that only Nixon had the long history of being so rabidly anti-communist that the people trusted him to keep American interests secure. In other words the people trusted him to negotiate and not give away the store.

Reagan. Only Reagan could have walked away from Iceland secure in his belief that he had just doomed the Soviet Union. Everyone else thought this was the wrong move. Everyone else wanted the deal that the Soviets were offering, and end to Nuclear Weapons. Only Reagan would pass on the deal, and it was demonstrated by History to be the right move.

Truman. Only Truman would have the courage to stand up and refuse to allow the Atomic Bomb to be used in North Korea. Everyone else, anyone else, would have bowed to the request from MacArthur. MacArthur had the public following. But only Truman had the courage to make the point final that the Civilian Government was in control of the Military.

It wasn’t just Americans either. Nobody but Margaret Thatcher would have ordered the Military to fight a war at the end of an impossibly long supply chain, dangerously close to the Enemy supplies, with such a small force, to recapture the Falkland Islands. Nobody else would have done so with the paltry military that Britain had.

Do you imagine that there was anyone else who could have led the British People alone against the might of the Nazi’s Besides Churchill?

There were a handful of vital people in the NASA program to reach the moon. Neil Armstrong was not one of those vital people. If Apollo 11 had aborted because of the computer problem on approach then Apollo 12 would have been the first man on the moon. Instead of Armstrong, it would have been Pete Conrad.

Those few vital people are those like John Aaron. The Engineer who saved Apollo 12, and the one who recognized the biggest priority for Apollo 13 was energy. Aaron was a brilliant Engineer. Aaron isn’t alone, but I’m not going to waste your time with names of people you’ve never heard of.

There were many points in History where one person was the only one who could have done it. Three Mile Island. Only Carter had the understanding of nuclear power that allowed him to instantly understand what was happening. Only Carter had the training to know that he could travel there safely and that allowed him to overrule the adamant objections of his staff, and probably the Secret Service. Nobody but Carter would have gone, and nobody but Carter could. He was just the right person, at the right place, at the right time.

But that is true of many more situations. Curiously enough, you can’t say that about W. Obama, or a lot of others who have inhabited the White House. Most residents of that house have not had the defining moment of the Cuban Missile Crisis, or the lifetime of rhetoric to justify the trust to open China, or the understanding of the nuances like Reagan. All of them went against the advice of the experts, and all of them were proven right.

That’s the thing. Each of them gambled like a Texas Hold-em playing going all in. Only the pot wasn’t a life savings, it was literally the nation’s future. Think of this. If Argentina had won the Faulklands war, would Britain have emerged as a world power? Or would they be viewed like The Netherlands, a small nation with an irrelevant military?

Reagan could well have doomed the world to another fifty years of Cold War. Nixon could well have failed in his diplomatic efforts and actually triggered a regional war with China.

Kennedy could well have been wrong, and the right answer was to send in the Military. His delays and half measures could be damned by History as the irresolute moves of a spineless fool. If he had failed, History would be flooded with the idea that Kennedy screwed it up because he was on strong medication for his back pain.

It is also important to note that these individuals did not do everything well. Just the one thing, when it really mattered. When it was all on the line.

Saying that Trump could not have gotten us through the Cuban Missile Crisis is true. Then again, no one else could have. There was a plane called the Gimli Glider. It ran out of fuel, a new 757 aircraft and it ran out of gas. The pilots who landed the plane performed a near miracle in doing so. Every other pilot that was put in the simulator to try their hand at the problem, crashed. Every one. Only one man kept it from being a disaster. He’s not the only example of that. There are others.

Do we demand that all pilots are able to perform a miracle? Do we demand that all Presidents are able to read the play of the enemy and go against the advice of their advisors to do what eventually wins? No, we pick the best of the available choices, and we hope that it works out in the future.

This is where your analogy falls down. Hillary would not be any better. Her history is one of clever plans that were always just that hair short of clever enough to actually work. If Hillary had been President during the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Southern states would be radioactive ash for another fifty years.