Republican Senators send a letter to Iran. Wow. Damn!

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    Did you see this Eagle1


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    This is why I don't like Politicians from either side in a War...............They attack people like Petraeus over and over again...........Calling him a Traitor from the Far Left.............Saying his strategy would never work before it even started...............

    Ask him to organize strategy for a War on Two fronts.........aka giving orders and commands to subordinates in both Iraq and Afghanistan while being grilled by Congress over and over again, day in and day out..............To answer the same questions usually over and over again...........

    Until he can't take the burning of the candles at both ends and finally actually PASSES OUT DURING QUESTIONING........................

    Generals strive to WIN WARS.............Politicians strive for Politics............the Dem side is to cut and run at all costs...............

    The Dems strategy was to leave...............PERIOD...........BACK IN 2006, and not even give the surge strategy a CHANCE AT ALL............Their words..........CUT OUR LOSSES AND LEAVE.

    anyway.......here's the video of the General passing out.

     
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    Yeah, I know about these...............look at the date.....................

    We hauled ass in Iraq under Obama...............COMPLETELY.............didn't offer to help when the North started falling...................came in late in the game ONLY AFTER we witnessed Atrocities under ISIL.............and only started bombing after it became political.............

    In 2014 the Shiites didn't want us there because we had already ABANDONED THEM...........they had no reason to trust us anymore.
     
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    Did you see this Eagle1?

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    Iraqi Shiite militants demonstrate on September 18 2014 against any US intervention in Iraq in the Shiite Turkmen-majority town of Amerli in the Tikrit region north of Baghdad View photo - Yahoo News

    You want Obama to negotiate with these guys. You are not really knowledgeable about Iraq are you. You ought to admit it and give up making a fool out of yourself more each day that passes.

    You need to listen to Obama and let the grown ups and the Shiites themselves deal with it.



    I see nothing wrong with Iraqis fighting their own fight on the ground an not one spec of a US soldier's blood should be spilled on the ground. I have no problem with the world's finest fighter pilots giving all kinds of an assist from a mile up...

    If IS terrorists want to fight an American let him learn to fly a fighter plane and come on up and see how they do. #449 [/QUOTE]

    It shows that your claim about Northern Iraq being stable when Bush left his mess to Obama is false.

    Even after ISIS tore across Northern Iraq in September 2014 The Shiites that lived there would have fought against US troops if they attempted to get involved. You have no line of logic through your entire argument that blames Obama for the Daesh terrorist scum reaping havoc in northern and western Iraq last summer. You have no clue whatsoever as to what is going on. And you still have not diverted me away from your failed argument on the topic of this thread. I'll get back to that when I get back from a fifty mile bike ride.

    Try thinking during these gaps that I am allowing you to have.
     
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    I supported General Petraeus from the day I heard him testify in the US Sentate in September 2007. He said to get out of Iraq we had to sit down and negotiate with Muqtada al Sadr even though his fighters had American blood on their hands. And that is what happened. Sadr was an Iraqi nationalist that stayed in Iraq although his father was killed by Saddam Hussein. Sadr was relentlessly against the US invasion and occupation of Iraq and found a way with Petraeus to force Bush to sign the agreement in December 2008 that all US troops were to leave Iraq cities by June 2009 and all US troops were to be gone by the end of 2011. That was the smartest thing Bush ever did in Iraq. Petraeus said we cannot kill or capture are way out of Iraq and he was right and Bush listened to him.

    Interview: General David Petraeus | Kill/Capture ... - PBS
    PBS Public Broadcasting Service › FRONTLINE › Afghanistan / Pakistan › Kill/Capture

    Jun 14, 2011 - “And the best way to do something about it is to use every tool ... Of course it's often said, and I often say, you don't kill or capture your way out of an industrial-strength insurgency, ..... #3705
     
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    It shows that your claim about Northern Iraq being stable when Bush left his mess to Obama is false.

    Even after ISIS tore across Northern Iraq in September 2014 The Shiites that lived there would have fought against US troops if they attempted to get involved. You have no line of logic through your entire argument that blames Obama for the Daesh terrorist scum reaping havoc in northern and western Iraq last summer. You have no clue whatsoever as to what is going on. And you still have not diverted me away from your failed argument on the topic of this thread. I'll get back to that when I get back from a fifty mile bike ride.

    Try thinking during these gaps that I am allowing you to have.[/QUOTE]
    1. This OP is about Iran.
    2. This OP has been diverted to but BUSH.
    3. This situation in Iraq is because we withdrew from the region under Obama.
    4. My posts are putting the blame where they belong, to Obama and the Dems.
    5. Iran's influence in Iraq has grown because we left.
    6. Iraqi's don't want us there anymore because we ditched them and they don't trust us anymore.
    7. The only reason they had a Northern territory to lose was because of the surge in 2006/2007.
    8. Iran's strategy of supplying insurgents in Iraq was to get us to leave.
    9. Iran's strategy worked, we left under Obama.
    10. Iran's strategy is to gain control of the region. Pushing violence in the region on both sides. It's purpose..
    to get us out of there and gain control.
    11. Iran's strategy worked..........now Iranian and Iraqi forces are fighting side by side.
    12. Iran and Iraq's populations are primarily Shiite.
    13. ISIL is primarily Sunni.
    14. Our strategy has guaranteed more Iranian influence in the region.
    15. Iran wants a Nuclear bomb.
    16. The west doesn't want them having one.
    17. Iran has a history of Lying........will not honor a deal.
    18. Useless to cut a deal when the Sanctions are our best hope to stop them short of attacking them.
    19. The United States has NO TRADE WITH IRAN ANYWAY..........It's BANNED..........So any Sanctions
    that are meaningful require other countries to stop trading.
    20. Russia, China, North Korea..............are already disregarding the Sanctions.....supplying and selling
    Nuclear tech and weapons tech to Iran anyway.
    21. Our options.........Try to get countries to Sanction Iran.......primarily the one's already mentioned....
    which has a snow balls chance in hell of happening.............get Iran to sign a deal that says..........We'll be
    nice...........honest..............given the history of Lying and their stated goals..........has a snow balls chance in
    hell as well................military options.............allow and support Israel in strikes against the Nuclear sites
    and then Veto the UN bitching over it..............or directly hit the sites with U.S. airstrikes or missiles........

    The military options are the only viable options to stop them from getting the bomb. Unless Unicorns and ferries go to countries selling tech to Iran and spread PIXIE DUST ON THEM..............

    History will show..............just like Clinton...........that Obama's legacy was Iran getting the bomb........even if it happens a short time after he leaves office..............this deal.......if it happens..............will be the final straw towards that path.
     
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    In 2008 it was the largest elected Shiite political bloc in parliament (the Sadrists) th. at wanted US troops to leave immediately. They even opposed the deal that Bush signed allowing US troops to begin withdrawing from Iraq cities almost immediately and withdraw completely by the end of 2011. It was the Shiite Sadrists that put and kept Maliki in power.

    So you got another lie going. The majority of Shiites did not want us in Iraq most of the time we were there and specifically in 2008 when matters got put to a vote. Had they wanted us there Bush could have gotten a long term SOFA and all the bases that Bush originally wanted to keep there. Bush had to settle to what amounted to a surrender with a three year drawdown period because of Shiite opposition to the US occupation of Iraq under Bush.

    You are getting worse and worse with your knowledge of the facts about Iraq.
     
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    Cherry picking his strategy...........he said that primarily about Afghanistan.

    His plan to win in Iraq...........was a surge..............more intel..............and to hold ground once taken and not leave..................Past strategy was to move in, kill insurgents and then go back to safe zones.................He stated why should the population help us if we leave them to be killed at night once we leave..............

    His forces took and held these places, no longer going to safe zones.............gaining some trust from the locals because they were no longer leaving them to the wolves at night...........

    because of this, they started coming forward with info to help intel find and kill the enemy.............

    You need to look at the new attacks on insurgents once it started working..........

    You say he said you can't kill or capture your way out of insurgency...............Well under his strategy we were killing insurgents at a far greater rate than ever before...........as they died the violence went down.............

    Now to the future.................The Generals, Pentagon, CENTCOM, warned Obama............about what would happen with a full withdrawal from Iraq................They were RIGHT AGAIN...........AND OBAMA WAS WRONG.
     
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    Facts...............BS..................you only look at anything that defends the one..........OBAMA...

    You say you supported Petraeus...................that means you must have supported the surge...............hmmmm

    Which means you were against Obama, Biden, Hillary, Reid, and the rest because they all said NO...............

    I don't believe you..............that is an opinion.................didn't see your posts back then................but I imagine from your posts here...............that you were YELLING HITLER BUSH with all the rest and laughing at Petraeus ads.........................I think you are Lying to me.

    Yes I calling you a Liar......................

    Obama and the Dems didn't support the strategy............challenged Petraus over and over again.......shouting down that IT WOULD NEVER WORK...........DAMNING PETRAEOUS IN SOME......................

    Then when it worked....................WE LOVE YOU MAN...............WE LOVE YOU PETRAUS...........

    HYPOCRITES...............and the ones whose policy caused the loss of Northern Iraq.............and the same DUMB ASSES WHO WILL LET IRAN GET THE BOMB.
     
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    whether you like it or not..........Bush was correct in 2007............predicted what would happen should we leave early or not honor or word...........

    spot on.......happening today.
     

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