REMINDER: The Second Amendment Is Not About Hunting

[nodoginnafight]

The 2nd was certainly not written so that a minority could overthrow a majority-elected government. The suggestion is as foolish a contention as I have seen on these boards (and that is saying something).

Agreed. Only wingers are suggesting that this or any government we've ever seen in the U.S. be overthrown.

The people have protections against tyranny already built into the Constitution. It's called voting them out of office. And while in the minority, the Constitution offers protections.

Armed insurection a Constitutional right???????

No, the constitution doesn't advocate or even allow for it's overthrow because it assumes it's rules are being followed. If they are, the proper checks and balances will be in place and respected and the people will maintain their rights as laid out by the Bill of Rights. One of those rights is the right to bear arms. An armed citizenry is the first deterrent to an oppressive government.

Therefore, if the government attempts to disarm it's citizens, it is not following the rules set by the constitution, thus acting in a tyrannical way (in the founders' opinion anyway) thus no longer representing the people, thus worthy of consideration for an overthrow by the people (or perhaps should be, it's ultimately up to the people to decide).

If there were no protections for citizens to maintain arms while the government is following the rules laid out by the constitution, then it's a simple hop, step and a jump from government for and by the people following the constitution (U.S.) to a tyrannical dictatorship ignoring the constitution engaging in mass murder (Hitler, Stalin, Hussein, etc).

Agreed - armed insurection is not a Constitutional right.

I understand where you are coming from in your assertion that an armed citizenry is a deterent to tyranny. I just disagree. They will wipe you out of their way whether you are armed or not - if that is their intent. It would probably be more simple to kill you than to constantly deal with your dissent.

But that's not a big point. Only the most radical are talking about "disarming" the American people, and only the most radical from the other end are advocating a Constitutional right to rebellion.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The 2nd amendment is neither an endorsement nor facilitator of the right of the people to engage in armed rebellion against the government.

Actually, it is. It's much easier to stage a rebellion if you're armed. Without arms, you're just so much machine gun fodder. It's much easier to drag unarmed serfs to the Gulag than it is to imprison a populace that is armed to the teeth.

According to Madison, the right of states to organize maintain and arm militias is their protection against an overreaching federal government.

 

[emptystep]

You're one of the bigger morons in this forum.

I'm trying for biggest. I am very competitive in that way.

The competition here is intense. You'll have to beat JakeMarkey, truthmatters, rdead and a host of others.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What happens when you vote them out of office, and they decide, in your best interest of course, not to go?

You fly planes into buildings?

 

[NYcarbineer]

A partial list of those who thought they had a right to use their weapons against the authority of the U.S. Government:
Timothy McVeigh - dead
Osama Bin Laden - dead
Eric Rudolph - in jail (plea deal - lucky fellow)
David Koresh - dead

Here's a partial list of those who thought they had a right to use arms against their government

George Washington
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Jefferson
John Adams
John Hancock
James Madison
Alexander Hamilton
Patrick Henry
Sam Adams
Thomas Paine
George Mason

Which ones of those didn't acknowledge they were committing treason?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

REMINDER: The Second Amendment Is Not About Hunting​

By Michael Geer
01/11/2013

You know it. I know it. The unspoken truth is the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America is about citizens resisting and overcoming tyranny. A common law and natural law right considered for 200+ years as an inalienable right. Speaking plainly, the 2nd is our bulwark against government which becomes despotic. Armed free citizens are the final bulwark against tyranny by local, state or federal government. When the Declaration, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights committed our people to founding a new Nation guns were natural and necessary. For putting food on the table and wait for it, personal defense against hostilities

Armed citizens have a long history of taking action to correct despotic governments. Feudal economies faded away due in no small part to enough peasants acquiring arms. And the will to use them.

Federalist 46. James Madison, known as the author of most of the Bill of Rights said of arms and the common man ...


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The 2nd amendment doesn't exist so you can murder federal agents you disagree with. You are protected from tyranny by the Constitution, not some non-existent right to kill government officials.

The governments the 2nd amendment is intended to protect you from are the foreign ones. The founders wanted an armed civilian populace to protect our nation from BRITAIN and other foreign invaders, not from the Republic they just formed. Don't be ridiculous.

 

[emptystep]

A partial list of those who thought they had a right to use their weapons against the authority of the U.S. Government:
Timothy McVeigh - dead
Osama Bin Laden - dead
Eric Rudolph - in jail (plea deal - lucky fellow)
David Koresh - dead

Here's a partial list of those who thought they had a right to use arms against their government

George Washington
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Jefferson
John Adams
John Hancock
James Madison
Alexander Hamilton
Patrick Henry
Sam Adams
Thomas Paine
George Mason

All these guys are rich white guys. Show me one rich white guy who wants to allow the poor a gun.

 

[bripat9643]

A partial list of those who thought they had a right to use their weapons against the authority of the U.S. Government:
Timothy McVeigh - dead
Osama Bin Laden - dead
Eric Rudolph - in jail (plea deal - lucky fellow)
David Koresh - dead

Here's a partial list of those who thought they had a right to use arms against their government

George Washington
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Jefferson
John Adams
John Hancock
James Madison
Alexander Hamilton
Patrick Henry
Sam Adams
Thomas Paine
George Mason

All these guys are rich white guys. Show me one rich white guy who wants to allow the poor a gun.

All of the above. Furthermore, why would I care what rich white guys want?

 

[bripat9643]

The 2nd amendment doesn't exist so you can murder federal agents you disagree with. You are protected from tyranny by the Constitution, not some non-existent right to kill government officials.

If they are coming to take you to the Gulag, then that's exactly why it exists.

The governments the 2nd amendment is intended to protect you from are the foreign ones. The founders wanted an armed civilian populace to protect our nation from BRITAIN and other foreign invaders, not from the Republic they just formed. Don't be ridiculous.

Dead wrong. You have obviously never read the views of the Founding Fathers on that subject.

 

[AsheedMidrarwz]

So the founding fathers create "a more perfect union", put in all kinds of checks and balances, fought tooth and nail to make it the best government they could, and then they threw in a clause saying "oh yeah, if you want to overthrow it go right ahead".

Simply, yes. They laid out the rules by which the people may be governed and did the best they could. But they also seemed to realize that no one is perfect and tried to build in protection for the people against a government that grows too large and oppressive in spite of their guidelines.

Keep running with that. It's a silly legal argument and a suicidal PR talking point. Your gonna run your mouths right into a gun-free society.

You argument is the one that's silly. Don't forget, we're armed and the cops and military are on our side.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

The 2nd amendment doesn't exist so you can murder federal agents you disagree with. You are protected from tyranny by the Constitution, not some non-existent right to kill government officials.

If they are coming to take you to the Gulag, then that's exactly why it exists.

The governments the 2nd amendment is intended to protect you from are the foreign ones. The founders wanted an armed civilian populace to protect our nation from BRITAIN and other foreign invaders, not from the Republic they just formed. Don't be ridiculous.

Dead wrong. You have obviously never read the views of the Founding Fathers on that subject.

You haven't either.

If they are coming to take you to the Gulag, then that's exactly why it exists.

Doesn't say that in the Constitution

 

[AsheedMidrarwz]

The 2nd amendment doesn't exist so you can murder federal agents you disagree with. You are protected from tyranny by the Constitution, not some non-existent right to kill government officials.

If they are coming to take you to the Gulag, then that's exactly why it exists.



Dead wrong. You have obviously never read the views of the Founding Fathers on that subject.

You haven't either.

If they are coming to take you to the Gulag, then that's exactly why it exists.

Doesn't say that in the Constitution

Do you believe the Constitution denies the right of every American to be armed?

 

[emptystep]

Some of you might want to recall what the battle of Lexington/Concord was all about,

and how that relates to the 2nd amendment.

Thank you for this reference I looked it up. Battles of Lexington and Concord - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Practically all accounts given about the Militia of that time refers to a group organized and trained by some government body. It is only when the issue of the 2nd amendment comes up does the term militia refer to everyone. If anyone can sight a reference that is referring to that time period which describes the militia as all the citizens of the United States, that is not trying to define the 2nd amendment, I would be interested in seeing it.

 

[BlindBoo]

REMINDER: The Second Amendment Is Not About Hunting​

By Michael Geer
01/11/2013

You know it. I know it. The unspoken truth is the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America is about citizens resisting and overcoming tyranny. A common law and natural law right considered for 200+ years as an inalienable right. Speaking plainly, the 2nd is our bulwark against government which becomes despotic. Armed free citizens are the final bulwark against tyranny by local, state or federal government. When the Declaration, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights committed our people to founding a new Nation guns were natural and necessary. For putting food on the table and wait for it, personal defense against hostilities

Armed citizens have a long history of taking action to correct despotic governments. Feudal economies faded away due in no small part to enough peasants acquiring arms. And the will to use them.

Federalist 46. James Madison, known as the author of most of the Bill of Rights said of arms and the common man ...


Read more:
Blog: The Second Amendment Is Not About Hunting

The 2nd amendment doesn't exist so you can murder federal agents you disagree with. You are protected from tyranny by the Constitution, not some non-existent right to kill government officials.

The governments the 2nd amendment is intended to protect you from are the foreign ones. The founders wanted an armed civilian populace to protect our nation from BRITAIN and other foreign invaders, not from the Republic they just formed. Don't be ridiculous.

^^^
That.

There was no standing army. The Congress could raise one in time but the immediate defense was up to the Militias.

 

[JakeStarkey]

A well-regulated militia, if you read your 2d Amendment, is about putting down "insurrections", led by folks like bripat.

 

[emptystep]

Here's a partial list of those who thought they had a right to use arms against their government

George Washington
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Jefferson
John Adams
John Hancock
James Madison
Alexander Hamilton
Patrick Henry
Sam Adams
Thomas Paine
George Mason

All these guys are rich white guys. Show me one rich white guy who wants to allow the poor a gun.

All of the above. Furthermore, why would I care what rich white guys want?

OK, besides all of the above, can you name one rich white guy that wants to arm the commoners?

 

[AsheedMidrarwz]

The 2nd Amendment refers to militias AND citizens. It's not being redundant.

 

[nodoginnafight]

A partial list of those who thought they had a right to use their weapons against the authority of the U.S. Government:
Timothy McVeigh - dead
Osama Bin Laden - dead
Eric Rudolph - in jail (plea deal - lucky fellow)
David Koresh - dead

Here's a partial list of those who thought they had a right to use arms against their government

George Washington
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Jefferson
John Adams
John Hancock
James Madison
Alexander Hamilton
Patrick Henry
Sam Adams
Thomas Paine
George Mason

Which ones of those didn't acknowledge they were committing treason?

and you better be darn sure you pick the winning side

 

[NYcarbineer]

Some of you might want to recall what the battle of Lexington/Concord was all about,

and how that relates to the 2nd amendment.

Thank you for this reference I looked it up. Battles of Lexington and Concord - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Practically all accounts given about the Militia of that time refers to a group organized and trained by some government body. It is only when the issue of the 2nd amendment comes up does the term militia refer to everyone. If anyone can sight a reference that is referring to that time period which describes the militia as all the citizens of the United States, that is not trying to define the 2nd amendment, I would be interested in seeing it.

The aim of the British at the time was to seize the militia's stockpiled armaments.

It is good to remember that the Bill of Rights was written in the context of the Revolution and the events and grievances leading up to the Revolution.

 

[nodoginnafight]

If they are coming to take you to the Gulag, then that's exactly why it exists.

Tell that to David Koresh ....