Religious thoughts

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    I was thinking about about christianity and was thinking most people get it wrong.......I hear all the time what would jesus do...help the poor...give to the needy.....and whatnot...but would he really? Keep in mind that Jesus was born in a time where people could not rise up from the station where they were born...once poor you were always poor......Can the same be said of America? Jesus spoke about helping your brothers and neighbors...never once did he mention help the poor in China or Africa........it was all about the community in which you were from..and your family. Jesus also spoke about doing your best and doing good works......can that be said of the poor in America? or would he admonish those in America for wasting there opportunies much like he did the jewish priests? Improve your Communities and live as an example to other communities so that they might also rise up from ignorance. I could Quote the Bible but I think you all know what it says....I think Jesus would admonish the poor in this great country and tell them to rise above what they can do.......these people that quote the bible I beleive have not read the bible nor understand what it was that Jesus was all about.....Sad

    I hear from the government that we need to help the poor......as if there are not enough things to help them in place already. Its sad that thezses people are supposedly some of the best educated in the world but either misunderstand what the bible says or are just manipulating the masses to get a vote. Where am I going wrong with this?

    Take care of your Family first ...help your neighbor...then community....Perhaps if we did these things our Economy would get better and we would be happier as a people.
     
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    By brothers wasn't he essentially referring to all mankind?
     
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    Matthew 25:31-46 (New International Version, ©2011)

    The Sheep and the Goats
    31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

    34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

    37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

    40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

    41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

    44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

    45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

    46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
     
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    There are many people who misunderstand the scriptures and what the Lord wants because they don't really try to understand and apply it to their lives according to the Spirit, they instead pick and choose what they want or they have their own ideas and try to read them into the scriptures rather than reading the scriptures to learn what God wants in our own lives.

    You have stumbled on a major message of the scriptures. They are teaching us to act as individuals. They are teaching us of our relationship with God and others. They aren't teaching us to cede our agency and power to the government and letting them do everything.

    Much of the problems of our society has been caused because we, as individuals have given up on our personal responsibilities. We try to run away from them or pretend they aren't there. But they are. We have obligations and duty to our families. We have obligations, as individuals to our neighbors, even to our enemies. We are supposed to take care of the widows and the fatherless, we are, not some bueaucratic monstrosity.

    The problems in our society are created because individuals don't stand and lift where they are. Once we start embracing our responsibility and duties, our rights will restore themselves, And our problems will resolve themselves.
     
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    Umm jesus did not spurn helping the outsiders ie non Jewish so yes I think he was for helping the world.
     
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    America gives us the ability to act as individuals and rise from poverty.

    All you have to do is play by the rules.

    And there ain't a whole lot of rule-playing going on these days.
     
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    Ok... am I misunderstanding them, or do they just not jive with your own political philosophy? I agree... we should do more as individuals... Myself included. However, we all live busy lives and most of us are living pretty much paycheck to paycheck. So doing these good deeds on an individual basis can be difficult while raising a family, working full time and paying bills.

    Social programs are not evil, they are the right thing to do. Should they be more efficient? Absolutely.
     
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    Bullshit. That's a bunch of excuses. "I'm too busy, I'm too poor, I need to abdicate my responsibilities to others because [fill in the blank]."

    Remember the story of the widow's mite? That's why they call it a "sacrifice", buddy. If you're holding onto every penny, going, "I can't give to the poor, I need it for myself", then you're obviously not trusting God to provide for you. And I really doubt He's going to give you a pass on obeying Him on THAT basis.

    Furthermore, I don't believe "most of us are living paycheck to paycheck", nor do I believe that most of those who ARE living paycheck to paycheck are doing so on a bare subsistence level. So perhaps there's some priority-rearranging that needs to be done.
     

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