Rachel Carson: Political Icon

[Listening]

Interesting Article:

The DDT Insecticide Ban... What Was the Truth Behind it?

The author states:

DDT might have also saved our ravaged forests from the pine beetle, in many places already one-third destroyed. Nonetheless, environmentalists will still not budge on the issue of DDT. It would also be 'embarrassing' for the federal government to backpedal now, reverse policy.

 

[Listening]

Well then you won't mind if I ddt your house right?

I do it all the time.

Another mystery solved.

What ? That I really do enjoy chemistry.

Let me guess...you still can't cook your own food.

 

[Pogo]

What's taking so long? Are we combing Lush Rimjob dot Con for a witty retort?


Sometimes we forget that the easiest retort to bullshit pulled out of the ass is to simply call them on it and enjoy the crickets.

You shouldn't go FULL retard, Pogo...

Or what? You'll sue him for patent infringement?

Check this out --

After seeing yet another ignorant column about how banning DDT killed millions and millions and millions of people. I’ve been inspired to create DDT Ban Myth Bingo to make reading these stupid articles more interesting. Just tick the box when they use the bogus argument next to it. Get four in a row and win! If you get to the end and you haven’t got four in row, you still have a chance to win—there’s one box you can tick if they don’t mention DDT resistance by mosquitoes.​

DDT Ban Myth Bingo

"Rachel Carson killed more people than Hitler" ... "DDT is banned"... "Sri Lanka banned DDT in 1964" ... all your favourite myths blown to tiny bits. Click on the "#" after each myth for the explosion. Fun for the whole family.

Free passes for Stuporgirl, Pothead and MilliHenry. You're all on the guest list.

 

[Pogo]

On behalf of absent (read: hiding) friends...

From the link above, following the Rachel Carson myth-link:

>> Andrew Kenny in The Spectator writes:

Judged on sheer evil, the worst crime in history was brown, the Nazi genocide, although the reds slaughtered more people. The death toll (difficult to measure) is roughly, Hitler’s holocaust 6 million, Stalin’s famine and terror 8 million, and Mao’s famine 30 million. But the greens have topped them all. In a single crime they have killed about 50 million people. In purely numerical terms, it was the worst crime of the 20th century. It took place in the USA in 1972. It was the banning of DDT. …

In 1971 DDT was poised to rid the world of malaria. In 1972 it was banned. …​

In a review of Michael Crichton’s "State of Fear" Ron Bailey agrees with Crichton that the greens killed 50 million:

Along the way, Mr. Crichton makes vividly apparent how environmentalist misinformation costs lives and money. He has Kenner tell fatuous Hollywood environmentalist Ted Bradley (Martin Sheen?) that banning DDT was “arguably the greatest tragedy of the twentieth century.” Why? Because DDT was the best defense against malaria-carrying mosquitoes. “All together, the ban has caused more than 50 million needless deaths,” Kenner says. “Banning DDT killed more people than Hitler, Ted. And the environmental movement pushed hard for it.” True enough.'​

However, it is conceivable that relying on a science fiction writer and an astroturf web site might not be wise. So I checked to see what the peer-reviewed scientific literature... “Agricultural production and malaria resurgence in Central America and India” published in Nature by Chapin and Wasserstrom tells us what really happened.

The graph on the left shows that malaria did skyrocket in India in the 70s. But not because they cut back on DDT spraying because of pressure from environmentalists. The graph shows that they didn’t cut back on DDT, but dramatically increased its use. So how come malaria increased?

Well, the increase in DDT use was in agriculture. This caused the insects to become resistant, so they had to use more DDT to get the same effect. This caused more resistance, so even more DDT was used and so on. The end result was that in the areas where DDT was used in agriculture, the mosquitoes became completely resistant and DDT no longer stopped them from spreading malaria, with the disastrous
results shown in the graph.

Was this catastrophe predictable? Well, yes. In fact, Rachel Carson warned about it in Silent Spring. If India had followed the example of the United States and banned the agricultural use of DDT and reserved it for public health many millions of cases of malaria would have been prevented.

...
So the people with significant responsibility for the resurgence in malaria were the chemical companies that stymied efforts to reduce the agricultural use of pesticides. And it was chemical companies that helped set up the astroturf junkscience site that has attempted to blame Rachel Carson for causing the resurgence. Nice. It&#8217;s like a hit-and-run driver who, instead of admitting responsibility for the accident, frames the person who tried to prevent the accident. <<​

(links, graphs and much more at the link, which specific page is here)


So if anything it might be said, to follow the same logic as the Potheads of the world, that millions were killed by not listening to Rachel Carson.

We'll now step aside and allow the perpetrators of such junk mythology to come in and apologize profusely as I know they're all standing in line to do, for slurring the name of a respected conservative.


[MENTION=27995]Uncensored2008[/MENTION]
[MENTION=12394]PoliticalChic[/MENTION]
[MENTION=31153]HenryBHough[/MENTION]

This thread has got to be the most monumental failure ever.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

They still celebrate that women? what is it with liberals and dead babies?

Yep, Margaret Sanger and Rachel Carson, two women responsible for the deaths of millions of babies, and the left holds them up as saints.

 

[Pogo]

They still celebrate that women? what is it with liberals and dead babies?

Yep, Margaret Sanger and Rachel Carson, two women responsible for the deaths of millions of babies, and the left holds them up as saints.

Five minutes it took.

FIVE MINUTES.




You people just bury your heads in the sand and fling bullshit regardless how ridiculous it makes you look. How do you guys ever fucking reproduce?

 

[DigitalDrifter]

They still celebrate that women? what is it with liberals and dead babies?

Yep, Margaret Sanger and Rachel Carson, two women responsible for the deaths of millions of babies, and the left holds them up as saints.

Five minutes it took.

FIVE MINUTES.




You people just bury your heads in the sand and fling bullshit regardless how ridiculous it makes you look. How do you guys ever fucking reproduce?

Well for starters, we find someone of the opposite sex.

This is probably where you guys always fail.

 

[Pogo]

Yep, Margaret Sanger and Rachel Carson, two women responsible for the deaths of millions of babies, and the left holds them up as saints.

Five minutes it took.

FIVE MINUTES.




You people just bury your heads in the sand and fling bullshit regardless how ridiculous it makes you look. How do you guys ever fucking reproduce?

Well for starters, we find someone of the opposite sex.

This is probably where you guys always fail.

What in the wide world of funk are you talking about?

Can you read? Get someone who can to read the post that went up literally five minutes before yours. Then explain how yours makes any sense in the world.

The stupid..... it hurts to watch...

 

[HenryBHough]

Fortunately "dead" means the same for 56 year olds as it does for infants.

 

[Pogo]

Apparently so does "mythology".

 

[NYcarbineer]

Interesting Article:

The DDT Insecticide Ban... What Was the Truth Behind it?

The author states:

DDT might have also saved our ravaged forests from the pine beetle, in many places already one-third destroyed. Nonetheless, environmentalists will still not budge on the issue of DDT. It would also be 'embarrassing' for the federal government to backpedal now, reverse policy.

DDT is not the miracle cure for the pine beetle problem. Stop that.

 

[NoNukes]

DDT was never banned for controlling malaria, so the claim she is responsible for millions of deaths is patently false.

Those countries which stopped using DDT to kill mosquitos did so because the mosquitos had built up a resistance to DDT, thus rendering it ineffective.

This is a PC thread. Quit dealing with the truth.

 

[PoliticalChic]

^^ reduced to running Bugs Bunny cartoons after her OP was blasted out of the water by a single line.

It's sad, really... here, there's a linguistic clue below, I made it big so that even you might find it:

>> Let me begin by making some things clear. I am a conservative! This means, among other things, that I believe in minimal government regulation, minimal governmental intrusion into the lives of citizens, and fiscal restraint in the taxing and spending of the hard-earned wealth of the people. I also believe that command and control methods of governing in general are economically inefficient and anathema to a healthy and free society. I am also an environmentalist, or to use my preferred term, a conservationist.

Contrary to the impressions conveyed by some environmentalists, conservatives gain just as much from clean air as anyone else does. We do not have secret meetings at which we breathe exhaust fumes. Nor do we have special skin that magically resists cancer from an excess of sunshine due to depletion of the ozone layer. Nor do we like to build our houses on toxic waste dumps. In other words, we have nothing to gain from environmental degradation, and I am not here to defend it. To the contrary, I believe in the importance of clean air for people --including myself-- to breathe, clean rivers for people to use, and freedom from involuntary exposure to cancer-causing chemicals. I believe too that our nation should make polluters pay the real costs that their pollution imposes upon society. That would give polluters tangible incentives to conserve non-renewable resources and to use renewable resources in a wise and responsible manner. << --- John Shanahan, policy analyst, The Heritage Foundation​

Conservation "was", "is" and "will remain" a conservative issue. Who knew?

Oh yeah -- everybody who's not a fucking partisan hack.

Post #60...

...tick....tick....tick.....

Sh. You've been dismissed already as a hack. I'm trying to give Pothead time to think of something.

Your post 60 is nothing but a crapload of association fallacies about "leftists". Irrelevant. We all know about your narcissism and how you use it to pretend you're still standing. It's cute but it's old.

Bill Clinton, United Nations, Maurice Strong, Sierra Club, ....the ones some moron said were conservatives....

Oh...right...you were the moron.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Five minutes it took.

FIVE MINUTES.




You people just bury your heads in the sand and fling bullshit regardless how ridiculous it makes you look. How do you guys ever fucking reproduce?

Well for starters, we find someone of the opposite sex.

This is probably where you guys always fail.

What in the wide world of funk are you talking about?

Can you read? Get someone who can to read the post that went up literally five minutes before yours. Then explain how yours makes any sense in the world.

The stupid..... it hurts to watch...

Went right over your head did it ?

 

[NYcarbineer]

DDT was never banned for controlling malaria, so the claim she is responsible for millions of deaths is patently false.

Those countries which stopped using DDT to kill mosquitos did so because the mosquitos had built up a resistance to DDT, thus rendering it ineffective.

This is a PC thread. Quit dealing with the truth.

The Stockholm Convention called for the ban of the use of DDT EXCEPT for malaria prevention.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Opened Google this morn, May 27th, and whose birthday is being celebrated?

Liberal icon, Rachel Carson!

For Liberalism, good intentions are what matters- not results. Based on that doctrine, Rachel Carson is perfect as the eco-Liberal version of Mother Teresa.
Millions of human beings are dead due to her influence.




1. "Rachel Louise Carson (May 27, 1907 – April 14, 1964) was an American marine biologistand conservationist whose book Silent Spring and other writings are credited with advancing the global environmental movement..... led to a nationwide ban on DDT and other pesticides, and it inspired a grassroots environmental movement that led to the creation of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Carson was posthumously awarded thePresidential Medal of Freedom by Jimmy Carter." Rachel Carson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. “…Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring," which in 1962 exposed the hazards of the pesticide DDT, eloquently questioned humanity's faith in technological progress and helped set the stage for the environmental movement….Silent Spring … meticulously described how DDT entered the food chain and accumulated in the fatty tissues of animals, including human beings, and caused cancer and genetic damage. …Carson concluded that DDT and other pesticides had irrevocably harmed birds and animals and had contaminated the entire world food supply.”
Silent Spring Summary | NRDC

3. Read the above, and apply this explanation to it:
“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”





4. On June 14, 1972, ....the EPA banned DDT despite considerable evidence of its safety offered in seven months of agency hearings. After listening to that testimony, the EPA's own administrative law judge declared, "DDT is not a carcinogenic hazard to man...DDT is not a mutagenic or teratogenic hazard to man...The use of DDT under the regulations involved here [does] not have a deleterious effect on freshwater fish, estuarine organisms, wild birds or other wildlife."
Today environmental activists celebrate the EPA's DDT ban as their first great victory. Silent Spring at 40 - Reason.com

a. “The nature of the evidence is irrelevant; it’s the seriousness of the charge that matters.” Tom Foley, Democrat, Former Speaker of the House.





5. British politician Dick Taverne was damning in his criticism of Carson:
Carson didn't seem to take into account the vital role (DDT) played in controlling the transmission of malaria by killing the mosquitoes that carry the parasite (...) It is the single most effective agent ever developed for saving human life (...)

Rachel Carson is a warning to us all of the dangers of neglecting the evidence-based approach and the need to weight potential risk against benefit: it can be argued that the anti-DDT campaign she inspired was responsible for almost as many deaths as some of the worst dictators of the last century. Taverne, Dick (2005). "The Harm That Pressure Groups Can Do".
In Feldman, Stanley; Marks, Vincent. "Panic Nation."

6. Annual worldwide cases of acute illness due to malaria: 300-500 million
Annual worldwide deaths due to malaria: 1.1-2.7 million, mostly among children under five years of age http://www.unmillenniumproject.org/documents/GlobalBurdenofMalaria.pdf

a. Carson’s book was dismissed in ‘Science’ magazine as a “prosecuting attorney’s impassioned plea for action,” not a book based on scientific data.
I.L.Baldwin, “Chemicals and Pests,” Science, September 28, 1962, p.1042-1043.

b. “Sixty million people have died needlessly of malaria, since the imposition of the 1972 ban on DDT, and hundreds of millions more have suffered from this debilitating disease. The majority of those affected are children.” Bring Back DDT!




Once again, a danger of Liberalism revealed.
Liberals are impulsive, and imprudent. They believe in quick changes, and risk new abuses worse than the ‘evils’ that they would sweep away....For such individuals, feeling often passes for knowing.

If you're determined to falsely blame someone for this, shouldn't you be blaming Richard Nixon?

 

[bedowin62]

leftardz never take responsibility for the damage they wrought

 

[NYcarbineer]

Rachel Carson is the Right's 20th century Harriet Beecher Stowe.

 

[bedowin62]

left-wing nutjobs make legends out of their failures

 

[gipper]

Rachel Carson is the Right's 20th century Harriet Beecher Stowe.

Really?

They do have much in common, though entirely different than what you think. You must remember that everything you believe is completely opposite of the truth.

Both promoted a fiction leading to the deaths of many.

Lincoln declared, "So this is the little lady who started this great war."