Question for proponents of the Public Option Plan/Single Payer Plan.

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    Democrats have been saying that they are all for the elimination of private health insurance. Don't believe me, watch the videos in this thread:

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...lead-to-single-payer-government-run-care.html

    How many jobs will that costs? I am not just talking about the CEOs and upper management jobs but how many jobs of people like you and me who work hard every day just to put dinner on the table will be lost. From the Janitor to middle management and don't forget the little guys, the independent agents who work for you to get you coverage. Those CEO's employ you; your brothers, sisters, parents, children, friends.

    Where are those people going to go when the private health insurer disappears?

    How many hundreds of thousands of jobs (Democrat jobs) are going to be lost? What industry do you work in?

    Is your job safe?

    edit: Oh and let me ask you this, aren't you glad Barney Frank and Barack Obama are working so hard to eliminate those jobs?

    Immie
     
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    Well, a government run plan would have to hire people, too, so it's not clear to me how many jobs net would be lost or gained. What we do know is that if private insurance were replaced by government run insurance similar to Canada's system, massive amounts of capital that insurance companies now invest in our private sector economy would be diverted to buy Treasuries, as Medicare and SS do with their reserve funds, and to pay for the federal government's deficits. I've got to think that withdrawing this much capital from private investment would have a negative effect on economic growth and job creation.
     
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    Come on, Immanuel, those folks will need to find real jobs, just like the folks who are skimping pay medical bills of their loveds ones because the health insurance companies only insure the healthy.

    Too darn bad.
     
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    I dont think the insurance companies are making enough money. Look, you have to understand, they make money when people pay, then get denied and dropped when they get sick.

    Leave them alone!
     
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    That might well be how Medicare tries to hold costs down since, according to the AMA, Medicare denies more claims than any private insurance company.

    http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/368/reportcard.pdf

    Scroll down to metric 12.

    Is this how the public plan Obama and Pelosi want would try to hold down costs, too? By denying more claims than any private insurance company?
     
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    This is how they'll create the jobs the stimulus package was supposed to create.........
     
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    That's the only real question nobody has asked [except for me]. The truth is, the skills required are easily skills that would transfer to any clerical/office/administration sort of work. These are the job holders that the insurance companies shed first, and have already and they've started to stop insuring them and/or raising their rates for health insurance. There is only alarm because this is legislatively driven, if it were innovation driven then there would be no outcry whatsoever. Typesetters had to just dry up and go away with the advent of desktop publishing, steel workers just had to adjust and on and on......ad nauseum. Nothing is constant except for change itself. That's life. But these people are not highly skilled , nor do their skills relegate them to some obscure and small type of employment pool. Maybe they should get some education and be doctors or nurses. That's what the right says about the American auto industry......but they actually produce stuff.
     
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    Interesting arguments, the one I like the most is what will happen to all the people employed by insurance companies. I wonder, is this a concern for those who want to shrink government? Do they ask what will the cop, fireman, clerk, prosecutor, child welfare worker, teacher, social worker, etc. do?
    By the way, we know what each of these government workers does, and they do not answer their phone and seek to find away to deny you their services.
     
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    According to the AMA, the government workers at Medicare pick up their phones to deny your claims more often than workers at private insurance companies do.


    http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/368/reportcard.pdf

    Since proponents of a public option argue it would be just like Medicare, does that mean that the public plan would also deny more claims than private insurance plans do?
     
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    My question to the both of you, is how many "real jobs" do you think are out there?

    Nationwide we are at 10% unemployment and rising... and of course, I blame President Obama for that... JUST KIDDING!, but jobs, real jobs are scarce these days. I'm worried about my job. The economy is struggling (part of the cycle, but it is still struggling) and the business I work in is being affected just like everything else.

    Do you think adding that many job seekers to the unemployment lines will help. I tell you, I hope to God, I don't have to start competing for a job in the near future.

    Immie
     

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