Putting the argument about the SAT scores in its place

[fncceo]

Again the SAT has been around since 1926. I have seen no record to this day about the importance of this test until whites could not be given every college admission. So it really can't be all that important.

Is everything about race? If you have to eliminate standarized testing to achieve racial equality in admissions then you're not making a good case for racial equality.

For as long as I remember, the message behind racial equality is that ALL races, colors, and ethnicity were equally capable of success given a level playing field.

You can't get playing field more level than standardized testing.

You are wrong according to the top sociologist in America and perhaps on earth.

In the case of college admissions, research reveals that standardized test scores may not measure real merit and their relation to an applicant's future performance is questionable. High school grades are a better reflection of college grades than SAT scores in both selective and non-selective colleges, but neither measure important attributes such as perseverance, motivation and interpersonal skills. Wilson said that while standardized tests should not be abandoned, they should be given less weight and considered alongside an applicant's initiative, leadership qualities, the ability to overcome personal hardship, honors and awards, among other criteria.

William Julius Wilson Speaks on Affirmative Opportunity

William Julius Wilson Speaks on Affirmative Opportunity at Hakim Lecture

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Where in that quote does William say the test doesn't provide a level playing field? All he says in that quote is the test is poor at measuring certain qualities, not that it measures them in a racially unequal way.

The fact it is a poor measure means it is not the standard to be used to indicate any kind of intelligence.

Eye colour is probably how we should choose University applicants.

 

[bgrouse]

Again the SAT has been around since 1926. I have seen no record to this day about the importance of this test until whites could not be given every college admission. So it really can't be all that important.

Is everything about race? If you have to eliminate standarized testing to achieve racial equality in admissions then you're not making a good case for racial equality.

For as long as I remember, the message behind racial equality is that ALL races, colors, and ethnicity were equally capable of success given a level playing field.

You can't get playing field more level than standardized testing.

You are wrong according to the top sociologist in America and perhaps on earth.

In the case of college admissions, research reveals that standardized test scores may not measure real merit and their relation to an applicant's future performance is questionable. High school grades are a better reflection of college grades than SAT scores in both selective and non-selective colleges, but neither measure important attributes such as perseverance, motivation and interpersonal skills. Wilson said that while standardized tests should not be abandoned, they should be given less weight and considered alongside an applicant's initiative, leadership qualities, the ability to overcome personal hardship, honors and awards, among other criteria.

William Julius Wilson Speaks on Affirmative Opportunity

William Julius Wilson Speaks on Affirmative Opportunity at Hakim Lecture

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Where in that quote does William say the test doesn't provide a level playing field? All he says in that quote is the test is poor at measuring certain qualities, not that it measures them in a racially unequal way.

The fact it is a poor measure means it is not the standard to be used to indicate any kind of intelligence.

Why don't you back up your claim and answer the question? You said it was wrong to consider it a level playing field according to that quote. So I ask again: Where in that quote does William say the test doesn't provide a level playing field? All he says in that quote is the test is poor at measuring certain qualities, not that it measures them in a racially unequal way.

 

[IM2]

Again the SAT has been around since 1926. I have seen no record to this day about the importance of this test until whites could not be given every college admission. So it really can't be all that important.

Is everything about race? If you have to eliminate standarized testing to achieve racial equality in admissions then you're not making a good case for racial equality.

For as long as I remember, the message behind racial equality is that ALL races, colors, and ethnicity were equally capable of success given a level playing field.

You can't get playing field more level than standardized testing.

You are wrong according to the top sociologist in America and perhaps on earth.

In the case of college admissions, research reveals that standardized test scores may not measure real merit and their relation to an applicant's future performance is questionable. High school grades are a better reflection of college grades than SAT scores in both selective and non-selective colleges, but neither measure important attributes such as perseverance, motivation and interpersonal skills. Wilson said that while standardized tests should not be abandoned, they should be given less weight and considered alongside an applicant's initiative, leadership qualities, the ability to overcome personal hardship, honors and awards, among other criteria.

William Julius Wilson Speaks on Affirmative Opportunity

William Julius Wilson Speaks on Affirmative Opportunity at Hakim Lecture

.

Where in that quote does William say the test doesn't provide a level playing field? All he says in that quote is the test is poor at measuring certain qualities, not that it measures them in a racially unequal way.

The fact it is a poor measure means it is not the standard to be used to indicate any kind of intelligence.

Why don't you back up your claim and answer the question? You said it was wrong to consider it a level playing field according to that quote. So I ask again: Where in that quote does William say the test doesn't provide a level playing field? All he says in that quote is the test is poor at measuring certain qualities, not that it measures them in a racially unequal way.

In the case of college admissions, research reveals that standardized test scores may not measure real merit and their relation to an applicant's future performance is questionable. High school grades are a better reflection of college grades than SAT scores in both selective and non-selective colleges, but neither measure important attributes such as perseverance, motivation and interpersonal skills. Wilson said that while standardized tests should not be abandoned, they should be given less weight and considered alongside an applicant's initiative, leadership qualities, the ability to overcome personal hardship, honors and awards, among other criteria.

 

[IM2]

Again the SAT has been around since 1926. I have seen no record to this day about the importance of this test until whites could not be given every college admission. So it really can't be all that important.

Is everything about race? If you have to eliminate standarized testing to achieve racial equality in admissions then you're not making a good case for racial equality.

For as long as I remember, the message behind racial equality is that ALL races, colors, and ethnicity were equally capable of success given a level playing field.

You can't get playing field more level than standardized testing.

You are wrong according to the top sociologist in America and perhaps on earth.

In the case of college admissions, research reveals that standardized test scores may not measure real merit and their relation to an applicant's future performance is questionable. High school grades are a better reflection of college grades than SAT scores in both selective and non-selective colleges, but neither measure important attributes such as perseverance, motivation and interpersonal skills. Wilson said that while standardized tests should not be abandoned, they should be given less weight and considered alongside an applicant's initiative, leadership qualities, the ability to overcome personal hardship, honors and awards, among other criteria.

William Julius Wilson Speaks on Affirmative Opportunity

William Julius Wilson Speaks on Affirmative Opportunity at Hakim Lecture

.

Where in that quote does William say the test doesn't provide a level playing field? All he says in that quote is the test is poor at measuring certain qualities, not that it measures them in a racially unequal way.

The fact it is a poor measure means it is not the standard to be used to indicate any kind of intelligence.

Eye colour is probably how we should choose University applicants.

The SAT has never been the sole consideration for choosing university students. Understand?

 

[bgrouse]

Is everything about race? If you have to eliminate standarized testing to achieve racial equality in admissions then you're not making a good case for racial equality.

For as long as I remember, the message behind racial equality is that ALL races, colors, and ethnicity were equally capable of success given a level playing field.

You can't get playing field more level than standardized testing.

You are wrong according to the top sociologist in America and perhaps on earth.

In the case of college admissions, research reveals that standardized test scores may not measure real merit and their relation to an applicant's future performance is questionable. High school grades are a better reflection of college grades than SAT scores in both selective and non-selective colleges, but neither measure important attributes such as perseverance, motivation and interpersonal skills. Wilson said that while standardized tests should not be abandoned, they should be given less weight and considered alongside an applicant's initiative, leadership qualities, the ability to overcome personal hardship, honors and awards, among other criteria.

William Julius Wilson Speaks on Affirmative Opportunity

William Julius Wilson Speaks on Affirmative Opportunity at Hakim Lecture

.

Where in that quote does William say the test doesn't provide a level playing field? All he says in that quote is the test is poor at measuring certain qualities, not that it measures them in a racially unequal way.

The fact it is a poor measure means it is not the standard to be used to indicate any kind of intelligence.

Why don't you back up your claim and answer the question? You said it was wrong to consider it a level playing field according to that quote. So I ask again: Where in that quote does William say the test doesn't provide a level playing field? All he says in that quote is the test is poor at measuring certain qualities, not that it measures them in a racially unequal way.

In the case of college admissions, research reveals that standardized test scores may not measure real merit

Does not say anything about not being a level playing field race-wise.

and their relation to an applicant's future performance

Does not say anything about not being a level playing field race-wise.

is questionable. High school grades are a better reflection of college grades than SAT scores in both selective and non-selective colleges

Does not say anything about not being a level playing field race-wise.

, but neither measure important attributes such as perseverance, motivation and interpersonal skills

Does not say anything about not being a level playing field race-wise.

. Wilson said that while standardized tests should not be abandoned, they should be given less weight and considered alongside an applicant's initiative, leadership qualities, the ability to overcome personal hardship, honors and awards, among other criteria.

Does not say anything about not being a level playing field race-wise.

Sounds like you're full of shit.

 

[IM2]

You are wrong according to the top sociologist in America and perhaps on earth.

In the case of college admissions, research reveals that standardized test scores may not measure real merit and their relation to an applicant's future performance is questionable. High school grades are a better reflection of college grades than SAT scores in both selective and non-selective colleges, but neither measure important attributes such as perseverance, motivation and interpersonal skills. Wilson said that while standardized tests should not be abandoned, they should be given less weight and considered alongside an applicant's initiative, leadership qualities, the ability to overcome personal hardship, honors and awards, among other criteria.

William Julius Wilson Speaks on Affirmative Opportunity

William Julius Wilson Speaks on Affirmative Opportunity at Hakim Lecture

.

Where in that quote does William say the test doesn't provide a level playing field? All he says in that quote is the test is poor at measuring certain qualities, not that it measures them in a racially unequal way.

The fact it is a poor measure means it is not the standard to be used to indicate any kind of intelligence.

Why don't you back up your claim and answer the question? You said it was wrong to consider it a level playing field according to that quote. So I ask again: Where in that quote does William say the test doesn't provide a level playing field? All he says in that quote is the test is poor at measuring certain qualities, not that it measures them in a racially unequal way.

In the case of college admissions, research reveals that standardized test scores may not measure real merit

Does not say anything about not being a level playing field race-wise.

and their relation to an applicant's future performance

Does not say anything about not being a level playing field race-wise.

is questionable. High school grades are a better reflection of college grades than SAT scores in both selective and non-selective colleges

Does not say anything about not being a level playing field race-wise.

, but neither measure important attributes such as perseverance, motivation and interpersonal skills

Does not say anything about not being a level playing field race-wise.

. Wilson said that while standardized tests should not be abandoned, they should be given less weight and considered alongside an applicant's initiative, leadership qualities, the ability to overcome personal hardship, honors and awards, among other criteria.

Does not say anything about not being a level playing field race-wise.

Sounds like you're full of shit.

In the case of college admissions, research reveals that standardized test scores may not measure real merit and their relation to an applicant's future performance is questionable. High school grades are a better reflection of college grades than SAT scores in both selective and non-selective colleges, but neither measure important attributes such as perseverance, motivation and interpersonal skills. Wilson said that while standardized tests should not be abandoned, they should be given less weight and considered alongside an applicant's initiative, leadership qualities, the ability to overcome personal hardship, honors and awards, among other criteria.

 

[sakinago]

"But the person who scored well on an SAT will not necessarily be the best doctor or the best lawyer or the best businessman. These tests do not measure character, leadership, creativity, perseverance." ​

William Julius Wilson​

William J. Wilson is the top of the line of our time expert in sociology. He has studied this issue thoroughly. None of you have. So let us discuss the SAT and what it doesn't do.

I don’t disagree with that notion, however you can’t really measure those qualities in a test. But the SAT does a decent job at measuring other qualities, that are also important. I don’t think a large majority of people judge others on their aptitude tests...so I fail to see the purpose of this thread?

Are you saying SATs are not important, or useful, or valid?

 

[bgrouse]

Where in that quote does William say the test doesn't provide a level playing field? All he says in that quote is the test is poor at measuring certain qualities, not that it measures them in a racially unequal way.

The fact it is a poor measure means it is not the standard to be used to indicate any kind of intelligence.

Why don't you back up your claim and answer the question? You said it was wrong to consider it a level playing field according to that quote. So I ask again: Where in that quote does William say the test doesn't provide a level playing field? All he says in that quote is the test is poor at measuring certain qualities, not that it measures them in a racially unequal way.

In the case of college admissions, research reveals that standardized test scores may not measure real merit

Does not say anything about not being a level playing field race-wise.

and their relation to an applicant's future performance

Does not say anything about not being a level playing field race-wise.

is questionable. High school grades are a better reflection of college grades than SAT scores in both selective and non-selective colleges

Does not say anything about not being a level playing field race-wise.

, but neither measure important attributes such as perseverance, motivation and interpersonal skills

Does not say anything about not being a level playing field race-wise.

. Wilson said that while standardized tests should not be abandoned, they should be given less weight and considered alongside an applicant's initiative, leadership qualities, the ability to overcome personal hardship, honors and awards, among other criteria.

Does not say anything about not being a level playing field race-wise.

Sounds like you're full of shit.

In the case of college admissions, research reveals that standardized test scores may not measure real merit and their relation to an applicant's future performance is questionable. High school grades are a better reflection of college grades than SAT scores in both selective and non-selective colleges, but neither measure important attributes such as perseverance, motivation and interpersonal skills. Wilson said that while standardized tests should not be abandoned, they should be given less weight and considered alongside an applicant's initiative, leadership qualities, the ability to overcome personal hardship, honors and awards, among other criteria.

I see you can copy and paste. Too bad you can't read and comprehend. It doesn't support your claim regarding not being a level playing field race-wise. In fact it says nothing about race. Do you understand?

 

[bgrouse]

"But the person who scored well on an SAT will not necessarily be the best doctor or the best lawyer or the best businessman. These tests do not measure character, leadership, creativity, perseverance." ​

William Julius Wilson​

William J. Wilson is the top of the line of our time expert in sociology. He has studied this issue thoroughly. None of you have. So let us discuss the SAT and what it doesn't do.

I don’t disagree with that notion, however you can’t really measure those qualities in a test. But the SAT does a decent job at measuring other qualities, that are also important. I don’t think a large majority of people judge others on their aptitude tests...so I fail to see the purpose of this thread?

Are you saying SATs are not important, or useful, or valid?

He's saying it's racist.

Questions about his position will involve copied and pasted quotes he can't understand or explain.