Pro Life Pro Gun Democrat

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    Every Democrat is pro-life – that he respects and defends a woman’s right to privacy doesn’t change that.

    And to support firearm regulatory measures consistent with Second Amendment case law is not to be ‘anti-gun.’

    Advocacy of such laws might be wrongheaded given their questionable efficacy, but they neither violate the Second Amendment nor deny citizens the lawful possession of guns.
     
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    Correct.

    Democrats own guns, enjoy the shooting sports, and carry firearms for personal protection.

    And it’s perfectly appropriate to oppose abortion while acknowledging the Constitution’s guarantee of a right to privacy, prohibiting the states from seeking to compel women to give birth against their will through force of law.
     
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    Your question was stupid, ignorant, and ridiculous – you got the response you deserved.

    Your idiotic question was:

    “How can someone be a gun owner and be a democrat [sic]?”

    There is nothing about being a Democrat that precludes him from owning a gun.

    Indeed, Democrats respect and defend Second Amendment case law – they recognize the fact that the Second Amendment right is not ‘unlimited,’ that it is not a right to keep and carry any gun whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose, and that government has the authority to place limits and restriction on the possession and commercial sales of firearms consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence.

    Respecting and defending Second Amendment case law – you and others on the right should try it sometime.
     
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    You're one ignorant bastard.
    Why would someone support the group that wants to CONFISCATE your property dumbass?
     
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    " More Shadow Puppet Fluff "

    * Acute Awareness Of Innuendo *
    The notation was an indication that revising us 14th amendment was the only option to possibly making it less logical that abortion is legal .

    As with previous discussions about abortion , just because a wright is not enumerated in us constitution does not mean it does not exist .

    In answer to anti-federalists pandering entitlements to dictate from the state , the us 9th amendment precedes the us 10th amendment to ensure it is understood that individual wights supersede those of states wrights and that includes whether one chooses to end a pregnancy .

    * Let Us Quote A Witless Errand Boy *
    The entire bush family has been on their knees blowing the saudi family while it floods the global community with cash from its terrorist slush fund .

    Afflicted with a typical love hate relationship for the us first amendment , the bush was too incompetent to demand that at least some style of us first amendment be added to the iraq constitution to rectify a global and regional mental degenerates .

    * Good Luck With That *
    If you believe yourself correct , follow legal recourse and file a lawsuit instead of doing nothing and using poor excuses to feign the high ground on whether abortion should be illegal according to the constitution or ethics .
     
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    Wights, Wrights??? Do you expect to be taken seriously? You don't know basic English. Where do you trolls come from?

    Just to give you a legal lesson: One must have legal standing in order to go to court. On abortion, I have no legal standing. On the illegality of the 14th Amendment, there is no organization fighting the damn thing and I've blew all the hundreds of thousands into educating people that I can afford to.
     
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    " Opposing Nomian Legalism From The Is Them "

    * Applying The Crux Of Arguments With A Single Word *
    Certainly , and opportunities to address validity for application and use of the term wright , or rite , or right , write , is always goaded and purposeful .

    The term wright alludes to craftsmen , such that a ship wright crafts ships , such that a legal wright crafts legalism , and both legal positivism and perspictivism support that use of the term wrights is more valid than use of the term rights .

    Legal positivism - Wikipedia
    Legal positivism is a school of thought of analytical jurisprudence largely developed by legal thinkers in the 18th and 19th centuries, such as Jeremy Bentham and John Austin. While Bentham and Austin developed legal positivist theory, empiricism set the theoretical foundations for such developments to occur. The most prominent legal positivist writer in English has been H. L. A. Hart, who, in 1958, found common usages of "positivism" as applied to law to include the contentions that:

    • laws are commands of human beings;
    • there is no necessary connection between law and morality, that is, between law as it is and as it ought to be;
    • analysis (or study of the meaning) of legal concepts is worthwhile and is to be distinguished from history or sociology of law, as well as from criticism or appraisal of law, for example with regard to its moral value or to its social aims or functions;
    • a legal system is a closed, logical system in which correct decisions can be deduced from predetermined legal rules without reference to social considerations;
    • moral judgments, unlike statements of fact, cannot be established or defended by rational argument, evidence, or proof ("noncognitivism" in ethics).[1]

    Historically, legal positivism sits in opposition to natural law's theories of jurisprudence, with particular disagreement surrounding the natural lawyer's claim that there is a necessary connection between law and morality.

    Perspectivism - Wikipedia
    There are many possible conceptual schemes, or perspectives in which judgment of truth or value can be made. This is often taken to imply that no way of seeing the world can be taken as definitively "true", but does not necessarily entail that all perspectives are equally valid.

    Perspectivism rejects objective metaphysics, claiming that no evaluation of objectivity can transcend cultural formations or subjective designations.[1] Therefore, there are no objective facts, nor any knowledge of a thing-in-itself. Truth is separated from any particular vantage point, and so there are no ethical or epistemological absolutes.[2] Rules (i.e., those of philosophy, the scientific method, etc.) are constantly reassessed according to the circumstances of individual perspectives.[3] "Truth" is thus created by integrating different vantage points together.

    People always adopt perspectives by default – whether they are aware of it or not – and the concepts of one's existence are defined by the circumstances surrounding that individual. Truth is made by and for individuals and peoples.[4] This view differs from many types of relativism which consider the truth of a particular proposition as something that altogether cannot be evaluated with respect to an "absolute truth", without taking into consideration culture and context.[5]


    * Defining Socially Normal *

    One may consider the term right is commonly referred as a perpendicular to a surface , at a 90 degree angle , at a right angle , which is more generally understood as a mathematical norm - Norm (mathematics) - Wikipedia .

    One might propose that a law is analogous with a norm and suggest therefore that application of the term right is more valid than an application of the term wright to describe laws .

    Ultimately , however , use of the term wright serves a very specific purpose of dissociating a pretense that a right is an absolute truth ( nomian ) rather than a right being a social norm crafted by mammon .

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    Many have been working to succeed here Would A Legal Challenge of Subject To Contract Clause Of Us 14th Amendment Succeed ? .
     
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    Boring drivel with NO relevance
     
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    " Contention Over Reference To The Term Natural "

    * Common Political Lexicon Contesting Moral Relativity *
    Such a response would be expected of any unaware for distinctions between pundits of natural law and pundits of legal positivism .

    The foundations of " natural rights ( sic ) " are constructed from references to theism , while foundations of legal positivism are constructed from references to perspectivism .

    Natural law - Wikipedia
    Natural law (Latin: ius naturale, lex naturalis) is law that is held to exist independently of the positive law of a given political order, society or nation-state. As determined by nature, the law of nature is implied to be objective and universal;[1] it exists independently of human understanding, and of the positive law of a given state, political order, legislature or society at large. Historically, natural law refers to the use of reason to analyze human nature to deduce binding rules of moral behavior from nature's or God's creation of reality and mankind.

    Legal positivism - Wikipedia
    Historically, legal positivism sits in opposition to natural law's theories of jurisprudence, with particular disagreement surrounding the natural lawyer's claim that there is a necessary connection between law and morality.
     
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    By the "absolute rights" of individuals is meant those which are so in their primary and strictest sense, such as would belong to their persons merely in a state of nature, and which every man is entitled to enjoy, whether out of society or in it. The rights of personal security, of personal liberty, and private property do not depend upon the Constitution for their existence. They existed before the Constitution was made, or the government was organized. These are what are termed the "absolute rights" of individuals, which belong to them independently of all government, and which all governments which derive their power from the consent of the governed were instituted to protect.” People v. Berberrich (N. Y.) 20 Barb. 224, 229; McCartee v. Orphan Asylum Soc. (N. Y.) 9 Cow. 437, 511, 513, 18 Am. Dec. 516; People v. Toynbee (N. Y.) 2 Parker, Cr. R. 329, 369, 370 (quoting 1 Bl. Comm. 123) - {1855}


    The absolute rights of individuals may be resolved into the right of personal security, the right of personal liberty, and the right to acquire and enjoy property. These rights are declared to be natural, inherent, and unalienable.” Atchison & N. R. Co. v. Baty, 6 Neb. 37, 40, 29 Am. Rep. 356 (1877)
     

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