Playing Fair With Climate Science

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    Kevin Drum | Mother Jones
    By Kevin Drum
    | Tue Aug. 24, 2010 8:47 AM PDT (I am unable to directly link article, scroll down to the 24th)

    This attitude is what makes climate science so creepy. Science is science and politics is politics. When politics is paraded around as science, SCIENCE SUFFERS! How is the layman supposed to separate fact from opinion when even superstar journals like Science and Nature are letting propaganda slide?
     
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    Some very valid points made here Ianc.
     
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    Confirming our suspicion Warmer science is more like phrenology, palmistry or homeopathy, but not as effective
     
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    Haven't seen this before, but your point is taken. Too little depth of research to make a conclusion. So, let's do the research. Like the research done here;

    Plankton, base of ocean food web, in big decline - U.S. news - Environment - Climate Change - msnbc.com

    By SETH BORENSTEIN

    updated 7/28/2010 1:53:14 PM ET
    Share Print Font: +-WASHINGTON — Despite their tiny size, plant plankton found in the world's oceans are crucial to much of life on Earth. They are the foundation of the bountiful marine food web, produce half the world's oxygen and suck up harmful carbon dioxide.

    They also are declining sharply.

    Worldwide phytoplankton levels are down 40 percent since the 1950s, according to a study published Wednesday in the journal Nature. The probable cause is global warming, which makes it hard for the plant plankton to get vital nutrients, researchers say.

    The numbers are both staggering and disturbing, say the Canadian scientists who did the study and a top U.S. government scientist.
     
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    BBC: Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming

    Phil Jones: Yes
     
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    "Science is science and politics is politics. When politics is paraded around as science, SCIENCE SUFFERS!"

    You have identified the crux of the problem...but need to contue on:

    1. Postmodernism is the idea that there is no truth, everything is realative...a reacton to the emphasis on reason of the Age of Enlightenment.

    2. Those who believe in this concept feel that no actual scientific basis is necessary fot global warming cants.

    3. Normal science discovers facts, and then constructs a theory from those facts. ‘Post-modern science’ starts with a theory that is politically sensitive, and then makes up facts to influence opinion in its favor.

    4. The leading proponents of ‘post-normal science,’ PNS, Funtowicz and Ravetz, have written that, in issue-driven science, ‘facts’ and ‘values’ are unified by replacing ‘truth’ by ‘quality.’ http://www.ecoeco.org/pdf/pstnormsc.pdf
     
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    :lol::lol: :rofl::rofl::rofl: :lol::lol:

    Havn't laguhed that hard in a long time! Thanks!
     
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    Interesting that the claim is due to global warming and yet the plankton seem to be able to survive quite well up to a temp of around 45C. After that there are a couple of species that do well up to 58C. And the last time I looked 45C is around 113 degrees F. Can't seem to recall the ocean getting that hot anywhere, well save at a volcanic vent of course.

    This from a study on plankton survival from a nuc plant outflow.


    Plankton composition, abundance and dynamics in a severely stressed cooling reservoir
     
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    I like the part about an unnamed "top government scientist". He better agree with Obama's idealogy, or he would be in the unemployment line. This proves nothing but partisan politics.
     
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    Phyto-plankton, dumbass.


    What are Phytoplankton? : Feature Articles

    Long-term changes in phytoplankton
    Productivity
    Because phytoplankton are so crucial to ocean biology and climate, any change in their productivity could have a significant influence on biodiversity, fisheries and the human food supply, and the pace of global warming.
    Many models of ocean chemistry and biology predict that as the ocean surface warms in response to increasing atmospheric greenhouse gases, phytoplankton productivity will decline. Productivity is expected to drop because as the surface waters warm, the water column becomes increasingly stratified; there is less vertical mixing to recycle nutrients from deep waters back to the surface.
     

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