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Yup.Nope.
It doesn't take away your liberties. In fact it gives you something...cheaper insurance and lower medical costs since hospitals will not be forced to pass the cost for dead beats onto the rest of us.Such hysteria.
The penalty should be the same amount that it would have cost to pay for insurance otherwise it won't work.
If everyone must have insurance the pool becomes big enough that insurance becomes cheaper for everyone.
People that don't have insurance will still get treated for emergencies...in other words, they will still be living off of the rest of us.
It's mind boggling that conservatives want to give people a free ride.
No Ravi.....conservatives do not like to give people a free ride. Conservatives have a phiolosophy.....do what you need to do to better the country but do not infringe on our liberties and freedoms seeing as the basis of our cxountry is liberty and freedom.
For me to have my liberty stripped so we can ensure others get something that they want is a backward approach.
Help them all you want....and yes...at my cost of taxes if you wish...(it is my choice to earn an income that results in higher taxes)....BUT DO NOT MANDATE SOMETHING and take away my liberties.
And as you pointed out above, you are not FORCED to earn income. No income, no tax penalty.
Nope...income tax isn't unconstitutional and neither is making people participate in health care insurance. It would only enter that area if people were refused emergency treatment if they didn't have health insurance.Thank you.Those would both be unconstitutional. Silly.
Just like Obamacare.
Funny, NO ONE ever complains about National Flood Insurance...something that many of us are FORCED to purchase.
Wrong. I'm forced to buy national flood insurance. Failure #1It doesn't take away your liberties. In fact it gives you something...cheaper insurance and lower medical costs since hospitals will not be forced to pass the cost for dead beats onto the rest of us.No Ravi.....conservatives do not like to give people a free ride. Conservatives have a phiolosophy.....do what you need to do to better the country but do not infringe on our liberties and freedoms seeing as the basis of our cxountry is liberty and freedom.
For me to have my liberty stripped so we can ensure others get something that they want is a backward approach.
Help them all you want....and yes...at my cost of taxes if you wish...(it is my choice to earn an income that results in higher taxes)....BUT DO NOT MANDATE SOMETHING and take away my liberties.
And as you pointed out above, you are not FORCED to earn income. No income, no tax penalty.
Wrong...no income and I am still obligated to buy insurance or face the penalty.
Avoid the truth if you wish...bottom line....there has never been a mandate by government to buy ANYTHING....
The minute a child is born, he or she has a mandate levied on them...buy insurance or suffer a financial penalty.
No freedom of choice...loss of liberty.
But please...spin it if you wish...avoid the reality all you like...it is STILL your freedom to do so.....but may not be your freedom to do so in the future.
My house has never flooded no matter how severe the weather and it never will. I'm forced to buy the insurance in the same way you are forced to pay income tax. I can move, you can quit earning income.Nope...income tax isn't unconstitutional and neither is making people participate in health care insurance. It would only enter that area if people were refused emergency treatment if they didn't have health insurance.Thank you.
Just like Obamacare.
Funny, NO ONE ever complains about National Flood Insurance...something that many of us are FORCED to purchase.
You are forced to purchase flood insurance if you OPT to live in an area where it is required...but you have the choice to not live there....and there are plenty of places to live in the US where it is NOT a requirement.
You are avoiding the facts here.....THIS is the ONLY thing EVER levied on an American that is mandated regardless of where you live, what you drive, who you are, what you do....you have absolutely no choice...if you wish to be an American you MUST purchase health insurance or receive a fine.
If incorporated in the bill, it will be historic and the first step to eliminating freedom of choice.
My house has never flooded no matter how severe the weather and it never will. I'm forced to buy the insurance in the same way you are forced to pay income tax. I can move, you can quit earning income.Nope...income tax isn't unconstitutional and neither is making people participate in health care insurance. It would only enter that area if people were refused emergency treatment if they didn't have health insurance.
Funny, NO ONE ever complains about National Flood Insurance...something that many of us are FORCED to purchase.
You are forced to purchase flood insurance if you OPT to live in an area where it is required...but you have the choice to not live there....and there are plenty of places to live in the US where it is NOT a requirement.
You are avoiding the facts here.....THIS is the ONLY thing EVER levied on an American that is mandated regardless of where you live, what you drive, who you are, what you do....you have absolutely no choice...if you wish to be an American you MUST purchase health insurance or receive a fine.
If incorporated in the bill, it will be historic and the first step to eliminating freedom of choice.
Sure there is...the same way you avoid paying income tax. Don't earn any income.My house has never flooded no matter how severe the weather and it never will. I'm forced to buy the insurance in the same way you are forced to pay income tax. I can move, you can quit earning income.You are forced to purchase flood insurance if you OPT to live in an area where it is required...but you have the choice to not live there....and there are plenty of places to live in the US where it is NOT a requirement.
You are avoiding the facts here.....THIS is the ONLY thing EVER levied on an American that is mandated regardless of where you live, what you drive, who you are, what you do....you have absolutely no choice...if you wish to be an American you MUST purchase health insurance or receive a fine.
If incorporated in the bill, it will be historic and the first step to eliminating freedom of choice.
But there is NOTHING you could do to avoid paying the penalty for not having gov't approved health insurance.
Has anyone realized that whether we call it a penalty for not having insurance or a tax for not having insurance....it will be the first time that I can think of (correct me if I am wrong) where you are forced to pay for something (or have someone pay it for you) the minute you are born...
You, as an individual entity will have a government mandated cost of existance the minute you leave your mom's womb.
Am I the only one that finds that kind of eerie?
I don't have health insurance.
The insurance companies are a scam.
Has anyone realized that whether we call it a penalty for not having insurance or a tax for not having insurance....it will be the first time that I can think of (correct me if I am wrong) where you are forced to pay for something (or have someone pay it for you) the minute you are born...
You, as an individual entity will have a government mandated cost of existance the minute you leave your mom's womb.
Am I the only one that finds that kind of eerie?
It's not that historic, cause Mitt Romney already did it in Massachusetts. But still, I don't agree with it.
Also, there are plenty of built-into-being-human costs that start the moment you are born. Born in a hospital? Already medical bills. Born at home? Someone's gotta pay the rent.
No....none of those are government mandated.....those are costs OTHERS incur to have you as a child.
But you, as a newborn, will be mandted by law to either buy insurance or pay the fine....and yes...others will pay it for you....but it is a mandate on YOU.
As for Romeny....you had the option to move to another state.....
Now it will be ....pay or move to another country
First of all, I've yet to see any text of a bill that would have this "penalty" in it.No....none of those are government mandated.....those are costs OTHERS incur to have you as a child.
But you, as a newborn, will be mandted by law to either buy insurance or pay the fine....and yes...others will pay it for you....but it is a mandate on YOU.
Second, I would imagine that the mandate would apply to parents, until the child is 18.
Where, odds are, healthcare will be free.As for Romeny....you had the option to move to another state.....
Now it will be ....pay or move to another country
EDIT TO ADD: I do NOT support this penalty. Just playing devil's advocate.
Yes...as for the 18 thing...yes...but it is a mandate on YOU at the age of one second....very unusual.
A bit eerie.
Wrong. I'm forced to buy national flood insurance. Failure #1It doesn't take away your liberties. In fact it gives you something...cheaper insurance and lower medical costs since hospitals will not be forced to pass the cost for dead beats onto the rest of us.
And as you pointed out above, you are not FORCED to earn income. No income, no tax penalty.
Wrong...no income and I am still obligated to buy insurance or face the penalty.
Avoid the truth if you wish...bottom line....there has never been a mandate by government to buy ANYTHING....
The minute a child is born, he or she has a mandate levied on them...buy insurance or suffer a financial penalty.
No freedom of choice...loss of liberty.
But please...spin it if you wish...avoid the reality all you like...it is STILL your freedom to do so.....but may not be your freedom to do so in the future.
If you don't file an income tax return because you have no income you won't be penalized, which is why I believe they are doing it this way. Failure #2
First of all, I've yet to see any text of a bill that would have this "penalty" in it.
Second, I would imagine that the mandate would apply to parents, until the child is 18.
Where, odds are, healthcare will be free.
EDIT TO ADD: I do NOT support this penalty. Just playing devil's advocate.
Yes...as for the 18 thing...yes...but it is a mandate on YOU at the age of one second....very unusual.
A bit eerie.
but you get a tax credit for yourself the second you are born as well.... so tax policy has covered you, from the SECOND you are born....
and i don't agree with the mandate either, though i do understand the reasoning behind it.