Passenger Ignites Firecrackers on Delta Flight Headed to Detroit

And various Islamist losers have been terrorizing Christians and Jews since roughly the middle of the 7th century so what is your point, con?
 
It's pretty easy to Monday Morning this thing. Yes, the father reported his suspicions to the US embassy about Abdulmutallab; however, how many times have we collectively complained about US intelligence agencies acting on scant evidence? After all, isn't this what the whole NSA warrantless surveillance controversy is all about? Isn't the whole point about Guantanamo the fact that we've incarcerated men suspected of being associated with terrorism based on information that wouldn't stand in a US courtroom?

And how many times have we collectively criticized the DHS No-Fly List when people like the late Senator Ted Kennedy or pop singer Cat Stevens and a list of other embarrassing "false positives," especially those that involved active duty US military personnel returning from Iraq, showed up on the no-fly list? We demanded tighter standards for the no-fly list and got exactly what we asked for. Also need to consider the cultural differences in names. Bob Smith is Bob Smith---about the only variation is when it's Robert Smith; however, I've already seen Abdulmutallab's name spelled Abdul Mutallab. Would that be enough to make a difference?

I expect US government agencies to do their jobs effectively and efficiently. However, I can't jump on the bandwagon criticizing DHS, the FBI, CIA, State Department and other alphabet agencies in the wake of all the harsh criticisms directed against the Bush administration's aggressive policies. And I'm not intending to defend the Bush administration's policies: some of them were exactly what we needed but some of them did go overboard. My point is that we can't have it both ways. I don't know what could have been done better to prevent Abdulmutallab's attempted terrorist act. Perhaps the reality is that airport security is effective up to a certain point and the rest, like it or not, is left up to the courage and initiative of passengers reacting to these incidents as they begin to unfold.

For the record, I strongly support covert intelligence operations. Worked for the Brits, the Israelis, the French, and the Soviets. There's a lot to be said for bringing terror to the terrorists. But the US simply doesn't have the stomach for it.

C'mon now....you have an Airborne patch as an avatar, you know what Delta does....and you say we don't have the stomach for it? I raise the BS flag on that one. Coming from the Navy and working in communities outside of surface warfare I can specifically remember several examples where we DID in fact have the stomach for it and were successful.

Don't confuse capability with political will.
 
It's pretty easy to Monday Morning this thing. Yes, the father reported his suspicions to the US embassy about Abdulmutallab; however, how many times have we collectively complained about US intelligence agencies acting on scant evidence? After all, isn't this what the whole NSA warrantless surveillance controversy is all about? Isn't the whole point about Guantanamo the fact that we've incarcerated men suspected of being associated with terrorism based on information that wouldn't stand in a US courtroom?

And how many times have we collectively criticized the DHS No-Fly List when people like the late Senator Ted Kennedy or pop singer Cat Stevens and a list of other embarrassing "false positives," especially those that involved active duty US military personnel returning from Iraq, showed up on the no-fly list? We demanded tighter standards for the no-fly list and got exactly what we asked for. Also need to consider the cultural differences in names. Bob Smith is Bob Smith---about the only variation is when it's Robert Smith; however, I've already seen Abdulmutallab's name spelled Abdul Mutallab. Would that be enough to make a difference?

I expect US government agencies to do their jobs effectively and efficiently. However, I can't jump on the bandwagon criticizing DHS, the FBI, CIA, State Department and other alphabet agencies in the wake of all the harsh criticisms directed against the Bush administration's aggressive policies. And I'm not intending to defend the Bush administration's policies: some of them were exactly what we needed but some of them did go overboard. My point is that we can't have it both ways. I don't know what could have been done better to prevent Abdulmutallab's attempted terrorist act. Perhaps the reality is that airport security is effective up to a certain point and the rest, like it or not, is left up to the courage and initiative of passengers reacting to these incidents as they begin to unfold.

For the record, I strongly support covert intelligence operations. Worked for the Brits, the Israelis, the French, and the Soviets. There's a lot to be said for bringing terror to the terrorists. But the US simply doesn't have the stomach for it.

C'mon now....you have an Airborne patch as an avatar, you know what Delta does....and you say we don't have the stomach for it? I raise the BS flag on that one. Coming from the Navy and working in communities outside of surface warfare I can specifically remember several examples where we DID in fact have the stomach for it and were successful.

Don't confuse capability with political will.

Couldn't agree more. In our lovely PC society you still have people out there that think more of PC than staying alive. Last I heard the only folks trying to kill us are Muslims. I would sure be looking at a Muslim getting on the same plane as me. This is also the same person the officials should be looking at. Not grandma. Of course PC always gets in the way of that. WE mustn't interfere with anyones Civil Liberties, gosh, even if it gets us killed.

Heard another interesting thing on Fox news the other day. They interviewed one of the passengers. He says after the flight landed all the passengers were taken to a room and interviewed by the FBI. They also brought in the bomb sniffing dogs, these dogs should be at all airports and do their thing to everyone boarding. Anyway. One of these dogs alerted on one of the other passengers luggage. This person was immediatly put in handcuffs and escorted out along with his luggage. Haven't heard anything else on this. Has anyone out there got anything????

PC has a lot to do with political will also. If we want to beat these dirtbags we need to get down and dirty in the sewer just like them. We need to outdo them in the savagery dept. Of course lots goes on behind the scenes that we will never know about and I thank god for those dark men and women who try their best to keep us safe.
 
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Strange that we haven't seen that twat Loosecannon back in the thread since he said the guy wasn't a muslim, wasn't a terrorist, it was only a fire cracker and that the media would prove him right. :lol:

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Check this out...there was a second man detained at the Detroit airport for having explosives sniffing dogs hit on his luggage....he was an Arab.

I saw an interview on Fox news Re: This other passenger. Have you heard anything else on this????
 
What I want to know is WHY did it take THREE (3) days for Barry to address the nation about this incident and what was being done to protect America and Americans from Islamic Terrorism during this holiday season?

WHY so long? Bush was always out front and on camera pretty damned quick when incidents happened on his watch--even when he was working from Crawford, TX.

Now, I realize there is a larger time difference from Hawa'ii, but come on! Three days? :eusa_doh:

He was to busy Golfing, watching tv, at a luau, eating a roasted pig or whatever.

I think he is starting to realize that he is in over his head and was scared to address the American People.

If you remember President Bush was back at the White House to address the nation a few hours after the 9/11 attacks, against the advice of Military and Law Enforcement Official's. He felt it was important ot address the nation immediately and from the Oval Office (which was a target along with the President).

Obama should have been on his way back IMMEDIATELY and he or his Transportation Secretary should have immediately grounded flights.
 
C'mon now....you have an Airborne patch as an avatar, you know what Delta does....and you say we don't have the stomach for it? I raise the BS flag on that one. Coming from the Navy and working in communities outside of surface warfare I can specifically remember several examples where we DID in fact have the stomach for it and were successful.

Don't confuse capability with political will.

Couldn't agree more. In our lovely PC society you still have people out there that think more of PC than staying alive. Last I heard the only folks trying to kill us are Muslims. I would sure be looking at a Muslim getting on the same plane as me. This is also the same person the officials should be looking at. Not grandma. Of course PC always gets in the way of that. WE mustn't interfere with anyones Civil Liberties, gosh, even if it gets us killed.

Heard another interesting thing on Fox news the other day. They interviewed one of the passengers. He says after the flight landed all the passengers were taken to a room and interviewed by the FBI. They also brought in the bomb sniffing dogs, these dogs should be at all airports and do their thing to everyone boarding. Anyway. One of these dogs alerted on one of the other passengers luggage. This person was immediatly put in handcuffs and escorted out along with his luggage. Haven't heard anything else on this. Has anyone out there got anything????

PC has a lot to do with political will also. If we want to beat these dirtbags we need to get down and dirty in the sewer just like them. We need to outdo them in the savagery dept. Of course lots goes on behind the scenes that we will never know about and I thank god for those dark men and women who try their best to keep us safe.

Unfortunately thanks to Obama, Biden, Reid, Pelosi and the rest of them we don't have those dark people anymore or the dark sites and detention centers.
 
It's pretty easy to Monday Morning this thing. Yes, the father reported his suspicions to the US embassy about Abdulmutallab; however, how many times have we collectively complained about US intelligence agencies acting on scant evidence? After all, isn't this what the whole NSA warrantless surveillance controversy is all about? Isn't the whole point about Guantanamo the fact that we've incarcerated men suspected of being associated with terrorism based on information that wouldn't stand in a US courtroom?

And how many times have we collectively criticized the DHS No-Fly List when people like the late Senator Ted Kennedy or pop singer Cat Stevens and a list of other embarrassing "false positives," especially those that involved active duty US military personnel returning from Iraq, showed up on the no-fly list? We demanded tighter standards for the no-fly list and got exactly what we asked for. Also need to consider the cultural differences in names. Bob Smith is Bob Smith---about the only variation is when it's Robert Smith; however, I've already seen Abdulmutallab's name spelled Abdul Mutallab. Would that be enough to make a difference?

I expect US government agencies to do their jobs effectively and efficiently. However, I can't jump on the bandwagon criticizing DHS, the FBI, CIA, State Department and other alphabet agencies in the wake of all the harsh criticisms directed against the Bush administration's aggressive policies. And I'm not intending to defend the Bush administration's policies: some of them were exactly what we needed but some of them did go overboard. My point is that we can't have it both ways. I don't know what could have been done better to prevent Abdulmutallab's attempted terrorist act. Perhaps the reality is that airport security is effective up to a certain point and the rest, like it or not, is left up to the courage and initiative of passengers reacting to these incidents as they begin to unfold.

For the record, I strongly support covert intelligence operations. Worked for the Brits, the Israelis, the French, and the Soviets. There's a lot to be said for bringing terror to the terrorists. But the US simply doesn't have the stomach for it.

C'mon now....you have an Airborne patch as an avatar, you know what Delta does....and you say we don't have the stomach for it? I raise the BS flag on that one. Coming from the Navy and working in communities outside of surface warfare I can specifically remember several examples where we DID in fact have the stomach for it and were successful.

Don't confuse capability with political will.

Thank you for the clarification. I guess we can leave the criticism up to our "CinC"...
Obama: ‘Systemic failures’ to blame for attack  - Security- msnbc.com
 
Now it turns out the father contacted US officals in Nigeria and the CIA about his son. I mentioned earlier that government agencies were gathering their own power bases and not sharing information. Clearly that is a major problem here. The coordinating force was suppose to be the DHS. The director doesn't seem to be gaining trust from her peers.
 
Now it turns out the father contacted US officals in Nigeria and the CIA about his son. I mentioned earlier that government agencies were gathering their own power bases and not sharing information. Clearly that is a major problem here. The coordinating force was suppose to be the DHS. The director doesn't seem to be gaining trust from her peers.

Well that this administration for you.
 
Now it turns out the father contacted US officals in Nigeria and the CIA about his son. I mentioned earlier that government agencies were gathering their own power bases and not sharing information. Clearly that is a major problem here. The coordinating force was suppose to be the DHS. The director doesn't seem to be gaining trust from her peers.

Well that this administration for you.

It was like that under Bush too, and Clinton....not just this administration...although Obama did ask for more cooperation...
 
Just because the Clinton thing is actual doesn't mean anything. ou can't honestly say with a straight face that Vincent Foster died by suicide. There is way to much evidence to prove otherwise.
The Clinton thing IS actual -- a actual nutjob conspiracy theory.

The hell it is. There are over 25 deaths of people connected to the Clinton's that died under mysterious circumstances. I am an investigator by trade (and a damn good one, I have the hight arrest numbers in the company covering three states, I also train new hires) and all my experience has proven to me that there are no such thing as coincidences.

So you were/are a cop?
 
Mall cop?

I think not, I can actually make an arrest, fill out a citation and charge the person, but nice assumption.

But you're not a a real cop. Take it from somebody who was - the Clinton Conspiracy is nothing but that, a conspiracy. Doesn't even pass the giggle test...You've watched too many NCIS episodes....You think arresting shop lifters makes you a great investigator. A great investigator would be working for the FBI, or be a detective in one of the big city departments....
 
C'mon now....you have an Airborne patch as an avatar, you know what Delta does....and you say we don't have the stomach for it? I raise the BS flag on that one. Coming from the Navy and working in communities outside of surface warfare I can specifically remember several examples where we DID in fact have the stomach for it and were successful.

Don't confuse capability with political will.

Thank you for the clarification. I guess we can leave the criticism up to our "CinC"...
Obama: ‘Systemic failures’ to blame for attackÂ* - Security- msnbc.com

Actually, I think it goes beyond just one man. I think in cases like this, President Obama would not hesitate to send in our silent warriors to do what needs to get done. I'm talking about our society in general. To put it succinctly, we are fickle. During the first Gulf War, we cheered each military victory until we got an up close and personal look at the dead Iraqi soldiers on the Highway of Death. We then became squeamish. In the first months after 9/11, our special operations forces went into Afghanistan and basically got pure blood vengeance. The Taliban and al Qai'da did not die pleasantly. Yet when we saw how the survivors were shackled as they were hauled off to Guantanamo, we began to lose our nerve. Abu Ghraib threw us over the edge with naked pictures of the thugs who routinely tortured Iraqi civilians without remorse yet now had us wringing our hands over their treatment.

What you and I understand is that when we send in our warriors, they need to be able to see the thing through all the way to its conclusion. There is nothing pretty about warfare: it is the ultimate obscenity. However, it is also a necessity, and we must accept warfare's brutality as part of the whole deal. This means not just militarily defeating an enemy but also crushing that enemy's will to fight. Al Qai'da are not supermen. They have the same human fears as the rest of us. Tap into that fear, and they will collapse, they will plea for mercy, they will cry out for their mommy in their last desperate gasp for life. In this sense, we (society) have lost our stomach for this sort of victory. Our warriors haven't.
 
A passenger headed to Detroit from Amsterdam on a Delta Airlines flight Friday ignited firecrackers upon landing in the Motor City, causing minor injuries to others on the plane, Fox News reported.

An emergency was declared aboard the flight, operated as Northwest flight 253, according to a Federal Aviation Administration spokesperson.

All 278 passengers on the Airbus A330 wide-body jet have since deplaned, Delta spokesperson Susan Elliott said. The FBI was on the scene.

It was not immediately clear if the suspect was subdued by crew or passengers.

Full Story.....................
Passenger Ignites Firecrackers on Delta Flight Headed to Detroit - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

I am sure this guy is looking at a laundry list of charges, to bad stupidity isn't a criminal offense.

I am sure there were a lot of terrified people on that plane, and technically this guy could and SHOULD be charged with an act of terrorism, since I am sure he made some of the passengers feel terrorized.

This proves you are both stupid and a liar. The side of the plane could have been blown out. Typical of you...you ever thought of running for public office as a republican? You have all the necessary characteristics.
 

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