Parents: here are some of the leftist studies and lessons your paying for

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    so awesome...we have a teacher pretending she's never heard of teachers pushing their politics. Proof that when we say most educators are lying commie scum, we're telling the truth.
     
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    That's not an ad hominem. Apparently you were educated during the Obama regime.
     
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    1) I'm a man
    2) I have heard of teachers giving their political beliefs to teachers, however it's rare and my district sent out a mass email to every school employee in the district telling us specifically not to
    3) You called me a commie so let me make this painfully clear:

    -The only independent novel(la) I make my students read is George Orwell's Animal Farm
    -I'm anti-gun control
    -I'm pro-life
    -I did NOT vote for Hillary (or Obama)...and no my students don't know that...when they ask I jokingly tell them I'm writing myself in
    -There are MANY educators that aren't liberal democrats. I'd be lying if I said that the majority weren't, but I'd be lying equally if I said that there's not a sizable chunk that are not. I'd guess that it's between a 60/40 to a 70/30 split at my school
    -My school has a capitalism club that students are allowed to join where they learn about capitalism and its benefits...it's sponsored by a teacher (who's actually in the classroom right next door to me), is officially recognized by the school, and there is no communist/socialist club (nor should there be).
    -My school as has a FCA club for students to join (fellowship of Christian athletes). They're permitted to meet on school during club days, their lunch periods, before/after school. They are also 100% allowed to pray on campus and they do (it has to be student lead though).

    -In the interest of being transparent I do hang a rosary from the rear-view mirror of his truck and don't remove it from my truck whatsoever when I'm at work/parking at work. None of my co-workers or admin has EVER mentioned it at all. I've also never had a student mention it at all to me. I never mention my faith to my students (some of them know what it is since I've seen a few at church here and there), however I guess somebody might claim I'm pushing my religiously by leaving it hanging in my truck.

    -Yes I have worked at two differently public schools and have had the same experiences above at both schools.

    4) The role of a curriculum is to provide content for a teacher to teach in their classroom. This means that anything a teacher teaches in their classroom that is not explicitly in their curriculum is done 100% independently and on their own (unless the district/school/department makes other arrangements). This is why if a teacher is teaching their students something controversial (or pushing their views on students) it's important to recognize whether it's in the curriculum.

    Are there serious problems with the educational system? You bet your ass there are. Are teachers perfect? You bet your ass they aren't. However the hyperbolic rhetoric that I've heard from both sides of the aisle is ridiculous. I'm a firm believer that until you step into a classroom you have no idea what it's like to be a teacher-I would not have agreed with this before I became a teacher but after I thoroughly believe this.
     
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    Bodecea tries to make the case that the curriculum is a measure of what is taught in the classroom. We know that not to be true --- a curriculum is nothing more than what SHOULD be taught. Oftentimes, it bears little or no resemble to the actual subject matter.

    In fact, I would maintain that a good teacher often allows the students to take the subject where their interest lies - with the understanding that they will be pulled back later.

    But, to claim that just checking the curriculum is a measure is just, simply, intellectually dishonest.
     
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    ad ho·mi·nem
    ˌad ˈhämənəm/

    adverb & adjectiv

    1.(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining
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    Sorry ---- that WAS an ad hominem attack, designed to deflect from the reality that the poster had no cogent response.

    I think it's safe to say that I was educated long before Obama was even conceived.
     
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    Teachers have some level of autonomy (some more than others depending on the school/district), and have students follow their own interests sound good and all...if they were adults. Most of my students couldn't even spell the word "intellectually". It's ok to let them run with ideas when appropriate and when it's beneficial (being an English teacher I have plenty of opportunities for this), but at the end of the day they need to learn what's in the standards first-that's my job.

    PS: curriculum isn't what should be taught, rather it's HOW to get there.

    Standards=what's being taught.

    For example I have many standards and some of them focus on tone. My district could use Novel A to learn that skill and another district could use Novel B. Each district is learning the same thing (how to identify tone/utilize appropriate tone), but how they're getting there is different.

    With all due respect, individuals who lack this basic knowledge and understanding severely lack the background knowledge required to comment efficiently on the educational system. Knowing the difference between standards and curriculum is something every teacher in the US knows, it's a basic concept.

    This is why people who're anti-common core and say that it promote Islam are just fundamentally wrong.
     
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    All I see from you is 93,164 comments of [​IMG] , I have to use pics because you can't read...
     
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    cur·ric·u·lum
    kəˈrikyələm/
    noun
    1. the subjects comprising a course of study in a school or college.
      synonyms: syllabus, course of study, program of study, subjects, modules
      "the curriculum choices for history students are extensive"
    I am surprised, but not overly so, that so-called educational experts don't understand what a curriculum is.

    I do note, however, the elitist superiority of your rejection of those who are not educational "experts". Let's keep in mind that it is these so-called "experts" that have created the disaster we have today. Not sure that is who we should turn to for the fixes to the broken system they have promulgated.
     
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    Re-read your definition. A curriculum is the content that's utilized, but NOT the skills that are acquired.

    "study, program of study, subject, modules" all of those refer to CONTENT not SKILLS.
     
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