Pakistan to U.S.; halt drone attacks, reduce Spec. Ops personnel- Time to go

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    wow, did this take me by surprise. And this imho doesn't have thing [inherently] to do with Raymond Davis, its a superficial BUT convenient veil.

    I am not going to go into it unless someone really wants to debate it, so here's the thing; the success rate vis a vis this type of warfare most especially when opposed to hostiles who possess a contiguous refuge ( even interdicted ones, ala Cambodia ) is very very poor.

    Any lives lost beyond this are not part of a march toward victory but a search for a graceful exit, and we've seen how that's worked out before. Fate is against us.....we must go.



    * APRIL 12, 2011

    Pakistan Tells U.S. to Halt Drones


    Pakistan has privately demanded the Central Intelligence Agency suspend drone strikes against militants on its territory, one of the U.S.'s most effective weapons against al Qaeda and Taliban leaders, officials said.

    Pakistan has also asked the U.S. to reduce the number of U.S. intelligence and Special Operations personnel in the country, according to U.S. and Pakistani officials.

    The U.S. strategy in the war in Afghanistan hinges on going after militants taking refuge in Pakistan. The breakdown in intelligence cooperation has cast a pall over U.S.-Pakistani relations, with some officials in both countries saying intelligence ties are at their lowest point since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks spurred the alliance.

    Beyond the Afghan battlefield, officials believe that without a robust counterterrorism relationship with Pakistan, al Qaeda and other groups can operate with far greater impunity when planning attacks on the U.S. and Europe. The vast majority of attacks against the West in the last decade originated in Pakistan.

    Relations have been under heightened strain since Pakistan's arrest in January of CIA contractor Raymond Davis, who was jailed after killing two armed Pakistani men in Lahore on Jan. 27. Mr. Davis was released last month, but the case fueled Pakistani resentment over the presence of U.S. operatives in their country.

    Pakistani officials complained that Mr. Davis and potentially dozens of other CIA operatives were working without Islamabad's full knowledge.

    Drone strikes are opposed by an overwhelming majority of Pakistanis, and are widely seen as a violation of Pakistan's sovereignty.

    The CIA's covert drone program has operated under an arrangement in which Pakistani officials deny involvement in the strikes and criticize them publicly, even as Pakistan's intelligence agency secretly relays targeting information to the CIA and allowed the agency to operate from its territory.

    That arrangement appears to be unraveling. Pakistani civilian, military and intelligence officials have sent private messages in recent weeks objecting to the strikes, complaining they have gone too far and undercut the government's public standing.

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    Pakistan Tells CIA to Halt Drone Strikes - WSJ.com
     
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    Granny says, "Dat's okay - there's more dan one way to stick a Predator drone uppa terrorist's wazoo...
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    U.S. still has options for drones if denied use of Pakistani bases
    Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - U.S. military forces will still be able to target al Qaeda terrorists in mountainous Southwest Asia with remotely piloted drones based in Afghanistan should Pakistan’s government deny the use of its territory to launch attacks.
     
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    If wer closing up shop in Pakistan we got to leave Afghanistan as well.
     
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    When we leave Pakistan....can we take our military aid with us?
     
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    Does Saudi Arabia have nukes? Pakistan does. I figger Saudi Arabia sees the writing on the wall in the middle east and wants Pakistan as a sort of "personal body guard" against any uprising in the Kingdom.

    And in order to fill that role, the US has to be out of the way.
     
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    fine by me, I wouldn't normally say that but, they are hopeless.

    I remember reading several months ago that they were co-mingling funds , ours and their straight military nuclear budget which they ARE not supposed to be doing, BUT, it appears they did it anywa.

    They just revealed a Hatf 9 MRLS ( Mobile Rocket Launch System) nuclear delivery capable .... ..why spend the money on this? becasue they are nuts thats why.
     
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    China tryin' to slip in on U.S.-Pakistan trust deficit...
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    After bin Laden: Could mistrust between US and Pakistan be opportunity for China?
    May 5, 2011 - Some influential Chinese analysts are suggesting that the mood of mistrust between the US and Pakistan might offer Beijing a chance to wean its oldest regional ally off its dependence on US security assistance.
     
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    Dear Pakistan,
    Like your billions in aid?
    Then shut the fuck up.

    US
     
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    In spite of their "false" sincerity, Pakistan is nothing but a terrorist State and is playing the US like a fiddle. Time to fuck 'em up. Time to stop giving them all the money and it's time to kill the roaches in that country. Might as well get the drug lords there too.
     
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