Original intent...

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    ...A favorite catch phrase of some right-wing nuts these days. Do we have any hints as to the thoughts of the framers of the Constitution regarding changes to it...? Whether by amendment or legal interpretation?

    <blockquote>I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.</blockquote>

    Name that quote! I'll save you the trouble, it was Thomas Jefferson. He understood that for a society to grow and flourish, its institutions must also grow and keep pace with that change and growth. If those institutions fail to keep pace with those changes in a society, stagnation, decay and, eventually, death are the ultimate end for that society.
     
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    If it wasn't for the LIBERALS who fought to the death, and founded our country......the sheep would be paying their respects to the Queen.
     
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    Another uninformed idiot. But we've had this discussion before, so there is no need to repeat it.
     
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    Hmmm....

    So, we should change the institutions of affirmative action, open immigration, anti-white discrimination and forced racial integration? Because if these institutions don't change, white Western society will suffer stagnation, decay and, eventually, death?

    Why, I quite agree! :cof:

    (BTW, TJ also said, "the two races (black and white), being equally free, cannot exist in peace in the same society." I think he was right about that, don't you?)
     
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    Pfftt....... oh, so the decline in Western Civilization is a good thing..... thanks for straightening out on that, Bully. Maybe you ought to pass that sentiment over to your lefty liberal friends who have been trying to get Marxist dogma to work in the real world with no good effect for the past .... 82 years? Maybe it's time for those leftist institutions to grow and keep pace with change and growth, too....


    So this Thomas Jefferson... do you mean the guy who wrote the Declaration of Independence? That guy?

    If so, he is also the same guy that, after the Marbury vs. Madison decision, which formed the foundation of present day policy of "judicial review" (i.e. the power that the Supreme Court reserved for itself to determine whether a piece of legislation is "constitutional") an unauthorized and brazen power grab by the judiciary!

    If the same Thomas Jefferson were alive today, he'd be turning over in his grave (a little humor, there folks) at the decisions that have come forth from the bench.

    Original intent is the only way to ensure that the Constitution remains a viable document. If you allow justices (who by the way, do not have the wisdom of Solomon) to interpret the Constitution any way they see fit, you open the door to abuse and it will be called "progressive". So whichever way the political winds are blowing at the moment, the justices are tempted to decide in favor. If God forbid, cannibalism were to become the thing to do someday, the justices would find a right for that.
     
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    The "Decline of Western Civilization"...? Hardly...The evolution of Western Civilization, most certainly!
     
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    I see, you call the slaughter of 40 million babies at the hands of their mothers "evolution"

    You call the persecution of Christians and other religious groups by the judiciary and the Left "evolution"

    You call the trampling of the right of free speech on most college campuses and intolerance of any viewpoint except that of Left's "evolution"

    If that's your definition of "evolution", then Stalin's Soviet Union must have been the most evolved place on the planet!

    P.S. You're the Buddhist around here, right? So how can you, in good conscience, advocate a philosophy of persecuting religious expression in public when the Communists did just that to your fellow Buddhists in Tibet?
     
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    The LIBERALS that you are referring to were liberals in the classic sense. They believed in limited government, the free exercise of religious expression, the blessings of free enterprise.....

    And those LIBERALS believed in fighting wars for the cause of freedom (unlike you and your ilk)

    You and your fellow LIBERALS are neo-commuists, whether you like to hear it or not. You've been indoctrinated in socialist double think, double speak and don't even know it.

    Any similarity between today's LIBERALS and the LIBERALS of the 18th century is in name only.
     
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    So Bully, given your stance, I'm sure that if the Supreme Court's position regarding abortion and privacy "evolved" into one which allowed the government to outlaw abortion, that would be great with you, right? After all, society has progressed so much since 1973! They didn't even have the Internet!
     
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    Define "baby".

    80+% of Democrats self-identify as Christian; 95+% of Democrats are religious persons.

    Free speech isn't trampled on college campuses, it is supported and defended.

    Buddhism isn't a religion, per se.
     

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