Online Purchases Soon To Be Taxed Nationwide...

[The Rabbi]

Why should small brick and mortar stores suffer because people can screw the government out of tax revenue they are entitled to?

Conservatives saying that the government is entitled to taxes. Amazing.

It's simply a statement of fact, not philosophy. The law as written provides that people are obligated to pay tax on internet purchases. Do you dispute that fact?

 

[The Rabbi]

Screwed by the phony Conservatives and Socialists/Progressives again.


Small companies who want to sell their products online are in real trouble. Some Republican governors, eager to enrich their thinning state coffers, are endorsing a tax that would be imposed on products sold online.According to the National Conference of State Legislatures Strapped, states could reap as much as $23 billion in new annual revenue.

Bigger chains are happy with the move. Scott Mason, a vice president at Lowe's Cos, who noted that Lowe’s has a 5 percent to 10 percent price disadvantage compared with online rivals, exclaimed, "Having one of the most recognized and widely popular Republican leaders take this position gives other politicians comfort that the online sales tax is fair and helps state budgets in crisis.”

Until recently, consumers could purchase items online without paying sales tax, a strategy that enabled consumers to shop at local stores but then order the same products online so they could avoid the sales tax. In order to level the playing field, there has been a push to tax the online purchases so local business owners could compete.

The giant Amazon.com, which initially viewed with disfavor the idea of a sales tax, has decided that they now like the idea. Why? Because Amazon plans to offer same-day delivery, which will mean it needs more local warehouses, and it will then get hit by state taxes anyway.

Small online competitors are upset. Steve DelBianco, executive director of NetChoice, a trade group representing eBay, Overstock.com and others, said, "Besides the Republican support, this position change is being driven by the millions of dollars being spent by the big-box retailers—and now Amazon—to push the sales tax through Congress."

States that already have an online sales tax are Kansas, Kentucky, North Dakota, New York, Texas and Washington. Other state that are planning to join them are California (Sept. 2012), Indiana (Jan. 2014), Nevada (Jan. 2014), New Jersey (July 2013), South Carolina (Jan. 2016),Tennessee (Jan 2014) and Virginia (Sept 2013)...

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Online Purchases Soon To Be Taxed Nationwide

Here's the deal...Slapping taxes to on line purchases will not increase revenue. People will simply not buy as much.
This is merely a political move to placate the Brick and Mortar retail sales lobby.
It's a money grab. That's all.
The way I see it is most people shop regularly throughout the year are impulse buyers.
As with any retailer, Amazon et al do most of their business from October through the week before Christmas. If people know they have to pay taxes on purchases, they will go to the retailer. On line sales companies will get killed. And THAT is the goal here.
Brick and Mortar retailers don't want the competition.
Anyone who favors this money grab is buying into the scam.

Online sales companies have advantages over brick and mortar in selection and pricing. B&M have advantages in service and time. It is up to the customer to decide which is more valuable for that particular purchase.
But it is not up to the customer to decide he can cheat the state out of sales tax that he legimiately owes by not buying from the local store. That gives an unfair advantage to the online retailer.

 

[Inthemiddle]

The law as written provides that people are obligated to pay tax on internet purchases. Do you dispute that fact?

Yes I do. That is not the law at this time. Republicans want to make it the law.

 

[Oddball]

They dont get hosed. They pay the same tax as everyone else. If they dont want to pay the online sales tax they can purchase locally.

Shopping locally you pay for your own gubmint, not that if a city/state 1,000 miles from yours.

I dont know how the law is structured. It is likely the money will be apportioned back to the states. In which case it makes perfect sense.

The law is structured to make someone located in Colorado pay taxes for New Jersey's bureaucracy....It makes no fucking sense whatsoever.

And do you care to back up that preposterous claim that one state is going to return the loot to the state where the purchaser resides?....Where do you get to get your tax refund on clothing purchases because your state doesn't tax clothing?

IOW, you're completely talking out your ass.

 

[JWBooth]

Why should small brick and mortar stores suffer because people can screw the government out of tax revenue they are entitled to?

Conservatives saying that the government is entitled to taxes. Amazing.

Not so amazing. They love their oversized government as much as the libs.

 

[Care4all]

It seems like we are being set up to have "a system" in place for a National Sales Tax, a National Consumption tax, (without ever having to vote on it or tell us they are planning this down the road) and us peon internet sellers, are their guinea pigs for the experiment....imho. I can understand the Governors requesting this, but I can't understand US Congress going along with it....

I have no problems with States wanting to collect more taxes, but don't tell me you have a right to tell a citizen of another State, to collect your taxes for you....I have no problem collecting Sales taxes for any 'in State' purchases for the State of Maine.

Why in the world are these idiot governors not doing something within their State to collect more taxes or punish their own sales tax evaders? If the penalty was large enough, maybe their citizens wouldn't cheat as much?

What ever! It's not my problem and should not be put on to me, to collect another State's sales tax.

 

[Oddball]

Why in the world are these idiot governors not doing something within their State to collect more taxes or punish their own sales tax evaders? If the penalty was large enough, maybe their citizens wouldn't cheat as much?

I don't think it has as much to do with tax cheatery as it does with states that refuse to constrain spending.

Chris Christie is certainly no Scott Walker.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Care is likely the only person I know that is claiming her out of state purchases on her state taxes.

Myself included.
Cudos to Care.

Sorry, but I'm not a tax cheat like you are, either.

Avoiding taxation isn't "cheating", komrade.

It is when its against the law.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Care is likely the only person I know that is claiming her out of state purchases on her state taxes.

Myself included.
Cudos to Care.

Sorry, but I'm not a tax cheat like you are, either.

Good to see you agree that this law is not needed.

Good to see you agree that the Affordable Care Act is a good law.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Why in the world are these idiot governors not doing something within their State to collect more taxes or punish their own sales tax evaders? If the penalty was large enough, maybe their citizens wouldn't cheat as much?

I don't think it has as much to do with tax cheatery as it does with states that refuse to constrain spending.

Chris Christie is certainly no Scott Walker.

Sure thing, whatever you say.

 

[paulitician]

Why can't Big Brother just leave the People alone? And to observe People actually cheering for this stuff, is very sad & disturbing.

 

[Care4all]

Screwed by the phony Conservatives and Socialists/Progressives again.


Small companies who want to sell their products online are in real trouble. Some Republican governors, eager to enrich their thinning state coffers, are endorsing a tax that would be imposed on products sold online.According to the National Conference of State Legislatures Strapped, states could reap as much as $23 billion in new annual revenue.

Bigger chains are happy with the move. Scott Mason, a vice president at Lowe's Cos, who noted that Lowe’s has a 5 percent to 10 percent price disadvantage compared with online rivals, exclaimed, "Having one of the most recognized and widely popular Republican leaders take this position gives other politicians comfort that the online sales tax is fair and helps state budgets in crisis.”

Until recently, consumers could purchase items online without paying sales tax, a strategy that enabled consumers to shop at local stores but then order the same products online so they could avoid the sales tax. In order to level the playing field, there has been a push to tax the online purchases so local business owners could compete.

The giant Amazon.com, which initially viewed with disfavor the idea of a sales tax, has decided that they now like the idea. Why? Because Amazon plans to offer same-day delivery, which will mean it needs more local warehouses, and it will then get hit by state taxes anyway.

Small online competitors are upset. Steve DelBianco, executive director of NetChoice, a trade group representing eBay, Overstock.com and others, said, "Besides the Republican support, this position change is being driven by the millions of dollars being spent by the big-box retailers—and now Amazon—to push the sales tax through Congress."

States that already have an online sales tax are Kansas, Kentucky, North Dakota, New York, Texas and Washington. Other state that are planning to join them are California (Sept. 2012), Indiana (Jan. 2014), Nevada (Jan. 2014), New Jersey (July 2013), South Carolina (Jan. 2016),Tennessee (Jan 2014) and Virginia (Sept 2013)...

Read More:
Online Purchases Soon To Be Taxed Nationwide

Here's the deal...Slapping taxes to on line purchases will not increase revenue. People will simply not buy as much.
This is merely a political move to placate the Brick and Mortar retail sales lobby.
It's a money grab. That's all.
The way I see it is most people shop regularly throughout the year are impulse buyers.
As with any retailer, Amazon et al do most of their business from October through the week before Christmas. If people know they have to pay taxes on purchases, they will go to the retailer. On line sales companies will get killed. And THAT is the goal here.
Brick and Mortar retailers don't want the competition.
Anyone who favors this money grab is buying into the scam.

Online sales companies have advantages over brick and mortar in selection and pricing. B&M have advantages in service and time. It is up to the customer to decide which is more valuable for that particular purchase.
But it is not up to the customer to decide he can cheat the state out of sales tax that he legimiately owes by not buying from the local store. That gives an unfair advantage to the online retailer.

no it doesn't give an advantage to the online retailer...if anyone from their State buys from them, they have to charge them taxes, PERIOD. Just like the brick and mortar store has to collect taxes for their State.

The brick and mortars DO NOT COLLECT taxes for other states and do not have to send other states the taxes they collect.

You are putting a burden on online sellers that is NOT present with brick and mortar stores. If a brick and mortar store sells something to a person from out of State that is shipping it to his home at the time of purchase, the brick and mortar store does NOT have to charge this person from california, the california sales tax and this brick store does not have to send these other state's taxes to them....

so you are either completely dumbstruck or you are lying for some strange reason?

 

[PredFan]

Doesn't this fall in line with a consumption tax that many one the right want?

No. The FairTax, that the right wants REPLACES the sales tax, and the income tax. What this law does is INCREASE taxes. It adds an additional tax. Therefor it isn't at all like the FairTax.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Why can't Big Brother just leave the People alone? And to observe People actually cheering for this stuff, is very sad & disturbing.

Taxation is unconstitutional.

 

[Inthemiddle]

Sorry, but I'm not a tax cheat like you are, either.

Avoiding taxation isn't "cheating", komrade.

It is when its against the law.

It's not against the law if that law hasn't even been written yet.

 

[Oddball]

Sorry, but I'm not a tax cheat like you are, either.

Avoiding taxation isn't "cheating", komrade.

It is when its against the law.

It's not against the law for me to drive to Minnesota to by clothing that has no sales tax, and there's nobody stopping cars crossing the St. Croix river making sure that nobody is smuggling duty free underwear into Wisconsin.

 

[Inthemiddle]

and there's nobody stopping cars crossing the St. Croix river making sure that nobody is smuggling duty free underwear into Wisconsin.

Not yet, anyway....

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Avoiding taxation isn't "cheating", komrade.

It is when its against the law.

It's not against the law if that law hasn't even been written yet.

In the case of failing to report out of state purchases when your state requires it - the law has already been written.
That's kinda a "duh"

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Avoiding taxation isn't "cheating", komrade.

It is when its against the law.

It's not against the law for me to drive to Minnesota to by clothing that has no sales tax, and there's nobody stopping cars crossing the St. Croix river making sure that nobody is smuggling duty free underwear into Wisconsin.

http://www.revenue.wi.gov/faqs/ise/usetax.html

What is the Wisconsin use tax?

Use tax is the counterpart of sales tax. Use tax must be paid when Wisconsin sales tax (state, county, and stadium) is not charged and no exemption applies. If you purchase taxable items from retailers who do not collect Wisconsin sales tax or bring taxable items into Wisconsin from other states or foreign countries, you owe use tax.

 

[Oddball]

Yeah...When they put up the inspection gates over the Blatnik bridge, you come get me.