On the palestinian armed struggle I

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    The following message explains the palestinian armed struggle without making any reference to the targeting of civilians.

    This most controversial topic will be the subject of part II.
     
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    The entire region of Palestine is the homeland of palestinian arabs. This is an undisputable historical fact.

    Any state that denies them their right to move freelly and live anywhere they want in their homeland is a supremacist state.

    If palestinian arabs were fighting a democratic state that recognised their rights I would be the first one to dennounce their struggle. But they are instead fighting a state racist to the core that treats them as foreigners in their own homeland.

    Armed struggles against supremacist states or racial dictatorships as I prefer to call them are absolutely justified.

    No group of human beings in the world has the right to deny another group their right to live in their homeland.

    When such event happens, then what I call the rules of mankind concerning land grabs come into effect.

    I will describe these laws below:

    Humanity ratifies an invasion and conquest when the natives surrender and acceed to the conquest. These crime have to be “accepted” at some point because every line on the map is the limit of some invasion/conquest - if mankind don't ratify invasions at some point, the world is mired in a hellstorm of endless landwars.

    This is one of the unwritten rules of humanity, followed by the human race for centuries now.

    Here’s the crucial point of these laws based on history:

    The existence of a racial dictatorship is only “legitimised” by the natives themselves, when they:

    1) Do not fight for their land
    2) Accept defeat and give up their claim over the land
    3) Are exterminated or reduced to insignificance in demographic terms (therefore, having no means to continue their armed struggle).

    Only palestinian arabs can legitimise Israel, either though their action or inaction or even through their extermination (if there are no more palestinians to claim anything, Israel’s existence will be “legitimised” by default).

    So one of the rules is, you do not fight for your land, or you surrender, you forfeit your land claim, and the land goes to the conqueror. As long as the native fights, the conqueror claim is up for grabs. (This is the basic rule that humanity seems to have agreed on down through the centuries in order to avoid endless land wars).

    I defy all the members of the US Message Board to prove me wrong.

    The american continent was the stage of these laws for more than 400 years.

    The white invader came to America and told the indigenous people of the region:

    We’re gonna take your land away from you.

    The invaders told them this same phrase in 4 different languages: English, French, Spanish and Portuguese.

    And the native inhabitants of the american continent did exactly the same thing from Canada to Tierra del Fuego in Argentina: they took up their arms and tried to repel the invaders or at least force them to share the land they were stealing.

    When the natives conceded defeat and gave up their armed struggle the white invader became the legitimate owner of the land... <B>NOT EVEN ONE SECOND EARLIER</B>.

    It doesn&#8217;t matter when the invader arrived nor when the invaded people was displaced.

    If native americans were still fighting for their land today the possession of the american continent would still be up for grabs.

    You can call the indigenous people of the Americas terrorists.

    You can call palestinian arabs terrorists.

    It makes no difference.

    <B>The moment you reject the creation of a democratic, binational state comprising the entire region of Palestine</B>, the laws of mankind regarding land grabs come immediately into effect:

    Share the land you stole from us or be attacked, with deadly force for 50, 500 or 1000 years.

    Only the displaced people have the right to decide if and when it&#8217;s time to give up their armed struggle and concede defeat.

    International organizations like the UN, racist jews and super patriotic american clowns have no say in the matter.
     
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    If I'm reading you correctly, what is now referred to as 'Israel' is really Palestine?
     
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    You bet.

    Western Palestine, now known as Israel.

    The western half of palestinians historical homeland, recognised as such by all those who believe that fighting historical facts is a hopeless battle.
     
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    So Israel 'ceasts to exist.'
     
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    That's so stupid.

    That's like saying Earth is the Homeland of People.

    or

    Seattle is the Homeland of anyone who was born here!
     
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    Actually, the Canaanites were there first. The Hebrews came in and conquoted the Canaanites, then the Philistines (from which the word Palestine is derived) came in and started fighting the Hebrews. Israel had the upper hand more often than not, and they both eventually lost to the Babylonians, then the Syrians and Seleucids, then the Romans.

    Then there's a few more interesting facts. Nobody wanted 'Palestine' until the Jews moved in and started growing grapes the size of watermelons. Nobody wanted the land and nobody would allow those who also didn't want the land to move away after it was already there. On most western maps, it was shown as part of Jordan, but they didn't want it, either. It wasn't until after the Jews were given back the promised land that it became to most coveted piece of real estate since gold was found in the New World.

    Then, if we're going to go for this 'homeland' theory, the Jews should actually own Iraq, since Abraham was from Ur, the original Iraqi city. The Celts should own all of France and Great Britain. Only those of American Indian descent should own anything in the Western Hemisphere. If we go back far enough, I'm sure we can find where you should be kicked out of your house and moved back to your 'homeland.' In fact, if you actually believe all this stuff and you're American, go the hell back home and leave my homeland alone, white man. If your little theory goes down, I can lay claim to any spot along about 1/3 of the east coast and most of Western Europe.
     
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    How has it been determined that nobody wanted it ?
     
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    Yes, Kathianne, Israel ceases to exist... so what???

    Will a supernova explode near Earth because of it??

    Did this kind of natural phenomena happen when racist SA was dismantled?

    If Israel were a law of nature, like gravitation, we couldn&#8217;t do anything about it, except being under the influence of Israel.

    If Israel were an extrasolar planet or a star, we couldn&#8217;t do much either, except observing Israel through a telescope.

    But Israel is neither a law of nature nor a heavenly body.

    Israel is a state, a human construct and as such it can be dismantled, modified, democratised at will if historical circunstances prove it to be a dysfunctional construct...

    Israel is not even 60 years old and it is already widely regarded as a completely outdated form of social organization by most of the world.

    People in America live inside a bubble, a coccoon, unaware of the fact that Israel&#8217;s popularity has been nose diving throughout the world.

    The Soviet Union is just one example among hundreds of other states that came to an end when even its rulers became convinced of its dysfunctionality as a human construct.

    Not only you, but most americans think about Israel in the same fatalistic, deterministic way that physicists and astronomers think about natural phenomena.

    How pathetic is this?
     
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    Yeah right...

    American indians didn&#8217;t give a damn about their land until the arrival of the white man and after this were doing quite well in the reservations...

    Black south africans couldn&#8217;t care less about their land and were interested in it only when the dutch came to SA. As a matter of fact, they enjoyed life in their crammed Bantustans and were actually pleased to live in 5% of their homeland while Afrikaners lived it up in the rest of the country...

    Palestinian arabs couldn&#8217;t wait to escape from western Palestine, that hellhole they called home and now are having a great time living like cattle in their refugee camps and, as a bunch of subhuman arabs, they are indeed very happy to have the opportunity to cede their land to &#8220;God&#8217;s chosen people&#8221;.

    blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...
     

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