On The Madness Of Modern Liberalism.

[Billy_Kinetta]

Like all other human beings, the modern liberal reveals his true character, including his madness, in what he values and devalues, in what he articulates with passion. Of special interest, however, are the many values about which the modern liberal mind is not passionate: his agenda does not insist that the individual is the ultimate economic, social and political unit; it does not idealize individual liberty and the structure of law and order essential to it; it does not defend the basic rights of property and contract; it does not aspire to ideals of authentic autonomy and mutuality; it does not preach an ethic of self-reliance and self-determination; it does not praise courage, forbearance or resilience; it does not celebrate the ethics of consent or the blessings of voluntary cooperation. It does not advocate moral rectitude or understand the critical role of morality in human relating. The liberal agenda does not comprehend an identity of competence, appreciate its importance, or analyze the developmental conditions and social institutions that promote its achievement. The liberal agenda does not understand or recognize personal sovereignty or impose strict limits on coercion by the state. It does not celebrate the genuine altruism of private charity. It does not learn history's lessons on the evils of collectivism.

Read more... The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, by Lyle Rossiter, Jr., MD

Wonderful list of "nots". Zzzzzzzz.

Now here's the news.
There is no "modern" Liberalism. Liberalism is Liberalism is Liberalism, PERIOD. Y'all lexicographical thieves trying to make a term into its own opposite are masturbating in Doublethik, nothing more.

Now clean yourself up.

Well put

Conservatives assign liberalism to a single set of ideas to be followed forever. Liberal thought evolves, it is what makes it liberal.

Classical liberalism revels in the value of the individual and and demands minimal government influence.

Modern "liberalism" assigns history and definitions to the trash can, and favors the collective under the direct control of an all-powerful central government. That's why they are generally associated with totalitarianism and ignorance, and the despotic regimes of the 20th and 21st centuries.

 

[norwegen]

Like all other human beings, the modern liberal reveals his true character, including his madness, in what he values and devalues, in what he articulates with passion. Of special interest, however, are the many values about which the modern liberal mind is not passionate: his agenda does not insist that the individual is the ultimate economic, social and political unit; it does not idealize individual liberty and the structure of law and order essential to it; it does not defend the basic rights of property and contract; it does not aspire to ideals of authentic autonomy and mutuality; it does not preach an ethic of self-reliance and self-determination; it does not praise courage, forbearance or resilience; it does not celebrate the ethics of consent or the blessings of voluntary cooperation. It does not advocate moral rectitude or understand the critical role of morality in human relating. The liberal agenda does not comprehend an identity of competence, appreciate its importance, or analyze the developmental conditions and social institutions that promote its achievement. The liberal agenda does not understand or recognize personal sovereignty or impose strict limits on coercion by the state. It does not celebrate the genuine altruism of private charity. It does not learn history's lessons on the evils of collectivism.

Read more... The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, by Lyle Rossiter, Jr., MD

Wonderful list of "nots". Zzzzzzzz.

Now here's the news.
There is no "modern" Liberalism. Liberalism is Liberalism is Liberalism, PERIOD. Y'all lexicographical thieves trying to make a term into its own opposite are masturbating in Doublethik, nothing more.

Now clean yourself up.

Well put

Conservatives assign liberalism to a single set of ideas to be followed forever. Liberal thought evolves, it is what makes it liberal.

Ah, so there is a modern liberalism. You should inform your ancient liberal friend Nogo of that.

 

[rightwinger]

Conservatives assign liberalism to a single set of ideas to be followed forever. Liberal thought evolves, it is what makes it liberal.

“Evolves” isn't really an apt term here. “Decays” would be more appropriate.

Why would you say "Decays"?

Was abolition a decay?
How about women's rights?
How about child labor protections and worker rights?
How about Civil Rights?
How about environmental protections?

 

[rightwinger]

Like all other human beings, the modern liberal reveals his true character, including his madness, in what he values and devalues, in what he articulates with passion. Of special interest, however, are the many values about which the modern liberal mind is not passionate: his agenda does not insist that the individual is the ultimate economic, social and political unit; it does not idealize individual liberty and the structure of law and order essential to it; it does not defend the basic rights of property and contract; it does not aspire to ideals of authentic autonomy and mutuality; it does not preach an ethic of self-reliance and self-determination; it does not praise courage, forbearance or resilience; it does not celebrate the ethics of consent or the blessings of voluntary cooperation. It does not advocate moral rectitude or understand the critical role of morality in human relating. The liberal agenda does not comprehend an identity of competence, appreciate its importance, or analyze the developmental conditions and social institutions that promote its achievement. The liberal agenda does not understand or recognize personal sovereignty or impose strict limits on coercion by the state. It does not celebrate the genuine altruism of private charity. It does not learn history's lessons on the evils of collectivism.

Read more... The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, by Lyle Rossiter, Jr., MD

Wonderful list of "nots". Zzzzzzzz.

Now here's the news.
There is no "modern" Liberalism. Liberalism is Liberalism is Liberalism, PERIOD. Y'all lexicographical thieves trying to make a term into its own opposite are masturbating in Doublethik, nothing more.

Now clean yourself up.

Well put

Conservatives assign liberalism to a single set of ideas to be followed forever. Liberal thought evolves, it is what makes it liberal.

Ah, so there is a modern liberalism. You should inform your ancient liberal friend Nogo of that.

No...just liberalism in a modern time

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

The Madness of Conservative s

Reality is that the GOP has a VESTED Interest in having the Government fail

 

[norwegen]

Like all other human beings, the modern liberal reveals his true character, including his madness, in what he values and devalues, in what he articulates with passion. Of special interest, however, are the many values about which the modern liberal mind is not passionate: his agenda does not insist that the individual is the ultimate economic, social and political unit; it does not idealize individual liberty and the structure of law and order essential to it; it does not defend the basic rights of property and contract; it does not aspire to ideals of authentic autonomy and mutuality; it does not preach an ethic of self-reliance and self-determination; it does not praise courage, forbearance or resilience; it does not celebrate the ethics of consent or the blessings of voluntary cooperation. It does not advocate moral rectitude or understand the critical role of morality in human relating. The liberal agenda does not comprehend an identity of competence, appreciate its importance, or analyze the developmental conditions and social institutions that promote its achievement. The liberal agenda does not understand or recognize personal sovereignty or impose strict limits on coercion by the state. It does not celebrate the genuine altruism of private charity. It does not learn history's lessons on the evils of collectivism.

Read more... The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, by Lyle Rossiter, Jr., MD

Wonderful list of "nots". Zzzzzzzz.

Now here's the news.
There is no "modern" Liberalism. Liberalism is Liberalism is Liberalism, PERIOD. Y'all lexicographical thieves trying to make a term into its own opposite are masturbating in Doublethik, nothing more.

Now clean yourself up.

Well put

Conservatives assign liberalism to a single set of ideas to be followed forever. Liberal thought evolves, it is what makes it liberal.

Ah, so there is a modern liberalism. You should inform your ancient liberal friend Nogo of that.

No...just liberalism in a modern time

Oh, so now it doesn't evolve.

 

[norwegen]

Fixed and eternal are the natural law, reason, and experience. What is fixed and eternal is conservatism.

 

[Kondor3]

Liberal crybabies and snowflakes have had their day for a while.

Time to give sane, self-reliant, honest, ethical, decent folk a turn at the wheel.

But, by all the evidence accumulated since January 20, 2017, that has not yet unfolded.

What is ethical? If you think people that wish to keep the war on drugs going and beat the shit out of gays is ethical..Well, lets just say we disagree...

What is ethical?

Let's start, with the concept that disagreeing with Liberal positions does not constitute fascism; that's more a Liberal outcome than a Conservative one.

...I'll agree that with Trump in office that day certainly hasn't come.

A sliver of common ground.

 

[rightwinger]

Like all other human beings, the modern liberal reveals his true character, including his madness, in what he values and devalues, in what he articulates with passion. Of special interest, however, are the many values about which the modern liberal mind is not passionate: his agenda does not insist that the individual is the ultimate economic, social and political unit; it does not idealize individual liberty and the structure of law and order essential to it; it does not defend the basic rights of property and contract; it does not aspire to ideals of authentic autonomy and mutuality; it does not preach an ethic of self-reliance and self-determination; it does not praise courage, forbearance or resilience; it does not celebrate the ethics of consent or the blessings of voluntary cooperation. It does not advocate moral rectitude or understand the critical role of morality in human relating. The liberal agenda does not comprehend an identity of competence, appreciate its importance, or analyze the developmental conditions and social institutions that promote its achievement. The liberal agenda does not understand or recognize personal sovereignty or impose strict limits on coercion by the state. It does not celebrate the genuine altruism of private charity. It does not learn history's lessons on the evils of collectivism.

Read more... The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, by Lyle Rossiter, Jr., MD

Wonderful list of "nots". Zzzzzzzz.

Now here's the news.
There is no "modern" Liberalism. Liberalism is Liberalism is Liberalism, PERIOD. Y'all lexicographical thieves trying to make a term into its own opposite are masturbating in Doublethik, nothing more.

Now clean yourself up.

Well put

Conservatives assign liberalism to a single set of ideas to be followed forever. Liberal thought evolves, it is what makes it liberal.

Ah, so there is a modern liberalism. You should inform your ancient liberal friend Nogo of that.

No...just liberalism in a modern time

Oh, so now it doesn't evolve.

You don't understand what evolving means do you?

 

[norwegen]

Wonderful list of "nots". Zzzzzzzz.

Now here's the news.
There is no "modern" Liberalism. Liberalism is Liberalism is Liberalism, PERIOD. Y'all lexicographical thieves trying to make a term into its own opposite are masturbating in Doublethik, nothing more.

Now clean yourself up.

Well put

Conservatives assign liberalism to a single set of ideas to be followed forever. Liberal thought evolves, it is what makes it liberal.

Ah, so there is a modern liberalism. You should inform your ancient liberal friend Nogo of that.

No...just liberalism in a modern time

Oh, so now it doesn't evolve.

You don't understand what evolving means do you?

Excellent defense.

I'll try to remember it.

 

[Pogo]

Like all other human beings, the modern liberal reveals his true character, including his madness, in what he values and devalues, in what he articulates with passion. Of special interest, however, are the many values about which the modern liberal mind is not passionate: his agenda does not insist that the individual is the ultimate economic, social and political unit; it does not idealize individual liberty and the structure of law and order essential to it; it does not defend the basic rights of property and contract; it does not aspire to ideals of authentic autonomy and mutuality; it does not preach an ethic of self-reliance and self-determination; it does not praise courage, forbearance or resilience; it does not celebrate the ethics of consent or the blessings of voluntary cooperation. It does not advocate moral rectitude or understand the critical role of morality in human relating. The liberal agenda does not comprehend an identity of competence, appreciate its importance, or analyze the developmental conditions and social institutions that promote its achievement. The liberal agenda does not understand or recognize personal sovereignty or impose strict limits on coercion by the state. It does not celebrate the genuine altruism of private charity. It does not learn history's lessons on the evils of collectivism.

Read more... The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, by Lyle Rossiter, Jr., MD

Wonderful list of "nots". Zzzzzzzz.

Now here's the news.
There is no "modern" Liberalism. Liberalism is Liberalism is Liberalism, PERIOD. Y'all lexicographical thieves trying to make a term into its own opposite are masturbating in Doublethik, nothing more.

Now clean yourself up.

Well put

Conservatives assign liberalism to a single set of ideas to be followed forever. Liberal thought evolves, it is what makes it liberal.

Classical liberalism revels in the value of the individual and and demands minimal government influence.

Modern "liberalism" assigns history and definitions to the trash can, and favors the collective under the direct control of an all-powerful central government. That's why they are generally associated with totalitarianism and ignorance, and the despotic regimes of the 20th and 21st centuries.

Once again for the literarily allergic, "all-powerful central government" is directly anathema to Liberalism. Those are polar opposites. We like to play with "liberal" and "conservative" as if they're each other's opposite but that's really not accurate; the opposite of Liberalism is Authoritarianism. That's exactly what Liberalism rose up to depose; at the time monarchy, aristocracy and clergy. Authoritarians have evolved different forms than those over the ensuing decades but whatever they're called, Fürher, Il Duce, Dear Leader, they're still the opposite of Liberalism which declares that political power derives from the people themselves and definitively NOT from a hierarchical bigly power structure.

That's what Liberalism is, Virginia, that's what it always was, is now, and ever shall be, world without end amen, period, cue fat lady and fade to black. Your ridiculous Doublethinkian attempt to divide it into two streams and call one "classical" and the other "modern", and have those streams running in opposite directions, is amusing but puerile. You can't morph a term into its own opposite. You can't say "it's sunny today" and intend it to mean "it's pouring rain".

So if you're trying to describe something that actually IS totalitarian, call it what it is and quit calling it by its opposite. Do you say "dog kennel" when you mean "mattress"? Neither do I.

This is the same definitional dead-end in which that pointless wandering blog linked in the OP engaged. It doesn't work.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Like all other human beings, the modern liberal reveals his true character, including his madness, in what he values and devalues, in what he articulates with passion. Of special interest, however, are the many values about which the modern liberal mind is not passionate: his agenda does not insist that the individual is the ultimate economic, social and political unit; it does not idealize individual liberty and the structure of law and order essential to it; it does not defend the basic rights of property and contract; it does not aspire to ideals of authentic autonomy and mutuality; it does not preach an ethic of self-reliance and self-determination; it does not praise courage, forbearance or resilience; it does not celebrate the ethics of consent or the blessings of voluntary cooperation. It does not advocate moral rectitude or understand the critical role of morality in human relating. The liberal agenda does not comprehend an identity of competence, appreciate its importance, or analyze the developmental conditions and social institutions that promote its achievement. The liberal agenda does not understand or recognize personal sovereignty or impose strict limits on coercion by the state. It does not celebrate the genuine altruism of private charity. It does not learn history's lessons on the evils of collectivism.

Read more... The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, by Lyle Rossiter, Jr., MD

Wonderful list of "nots". Zzzzzzzz.

Now here's the news.
There is no "modern" Liberalism. Liberalism is Liberalism is Liberalism, PERIOD. Y'all lexicographical thieves trying to make a term into its own opposite are masturbating in Doublethik, nothing more.

Now clean yourself up.

Well put

Conservatives assign liberalism to a single set of ideas to be followed forever. Liberal thought evolves, it is what makes it liberal.

Classical liberalism revels in the value of the individual and and demands minimal government influence.

Modern "liberalism" assigns history and definitions to the trash can, and favors the collective under the direct control of an all-powerful central government. That's why they are generally associated with totalitarianism and ignorance, and the despotic regimes of the 20th and 21st centuries.

Once again for the literarily allergic, "all-powerful central government" is directly anathema to Liberalism.

Indeed. Ergo, what you people are is not liberal.

 

[Pogo]

Like all other human beings, the modern liberal reveals his true character, including his madness, in what he values and devalues, in what he articulates with passion. Of special interest, however, are the many values about which the modern liberal mind is not passionate: his agenda does not insist that the individual is the ultimate economic, social and political unit; it does not idealize individual liberty and the structure of law and order essential to it; it does not defend the basic rights of property and contract; it does not aspire to ideals of authentic autonomy and mutuality; it does not preach an ethic of self-reliance and self-determination; it does not praise courage, forbearance or resilience; it does not celebrate the ethics of consent or the blessings of voluntary cooperation. It does not advocate moral rectitude or understand the critical role of morality in human relating. The liberal agenda does not comprehend an identity of competence, appreciate its importance, or analyze the developmental conditions and social institutions that promote its achievement. The liberal agenda does not understand or recognize personal sovereignty or impose strict limits on coercion by the state. It does not celebrate the genuine altruism of private charity. It does not learn history's lessons on the evils of collectivism.

Read more... The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, by Lyle Rossiter, Jr., MD

Wonderful list of "nots". Zzzzzzzz.

Now here's the news.
There is no "modern" Liberalism. Liberalism is Liberalism is Liberalism, PERIOD. Y'all lexicographical thieves trying to make a term into its own opposite are masturbating in Doublethik, nothing more.

Now clean yourself up.

Well put

Conservatives assign liberalism to a single set of ideas to be followed forever. Liberal thought evolves, it is what makes it liberal.

Classical liberalism revels in the value of the individual and and demands minimal government influence.

Modern "liberalism" assigns history and definitions to the trash can, and favors the collective under the direct control of an all-powerful central government. That's why they are generally associated with totalitarianism and ignorance, and the despotic regimes of the 20th and 21st centuries.

Once again for the literarily allergic, "all-powerful central government" is directly anathema to Liberalism.

Indeed. Ergo, what you people are is not liberal.

"You people" ?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Wonderful list of "nots". Zzzzzzzz.

Now here's the news.
There is no "modern" Liberalism. Liberalism is Liberalism is Liberalism, PERIOD. Y'all lexicographical thieves trying to make a term into its own opposite are masturbating in Doublethik, nothing more.

Now clean yourself up.

Well put

Conservatives assign liberalism to a single set of ideas to be followed forever. Liberal thought evolves, it is what makes it liberal.

Classical liberalism revels in the value of the individual and and demands minimal government influence.

Modern "liberalism" assigns history and definitions to the trash can, and favors the collective under the direct control of an all-powerful central government. That's why they are generally associated with totalitarianism and ignorance, and the despotic regimes of the 20th and 21st centuries.

Once again for the literarily allergic, "all-powerful central government" is directly anathema to Liberalism.

Indeed. Ergo, what you people are is not liberal.

"You people" ?

There seems to be an echo in your head.

 

[Pogo]

Well put

Conservatives assign liberalism to a single set of ideas to be followed forever. Liberal thought evolves, it is what makes it liberal.

Classical liberalism revels in the value of the individual and and demands minimal government influence.

Modern "liberalism" assigns history and definitions to the trash can, and favors the collective under the direct control of an all-powerful central government. That's why they are generally associated with totalitarianism and ignorance, and the despotic regimes of the 20th and 21st centuries.

Once again for the literarily allergic, "all-powerful central government" is directly anathema to Liberalism.

Indeed. Ergo, what you people are is not liberal.

"You people" ?

There seems to be an echo in your head.

And yet there doesn't seem to be an answer coming in.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Classical liberalism revels in the value of the individual and and demands minimal government influence.

Modern "liberalism" assigns history and definitions to the trash can, and favors the collective under the direct control of an all-powerful central government. That's why they are generally associated with totalitarianism and ignorance, and the despotic regimes of the 20th and 21st centuries.

Once again for the literarily allergic, "all-powerful central government" is directly anathema to Liberalism.

Indeed. Ergo, what you people are is not liberal.

"You people" ?

There seems to be an echo in your head.

And yet there doesn't seem to be an answer coming in.

The answer has been posted several times, including to you personally, and I tire of repeating myself.

 

[Pogo]

Once again for the literarily allergic, "all-powerful central government" is directly anathema to Liberalism.

Indeed. Ergo, what you people are is not liberal.

"You people" ?

There seems to be an echo in your head.

And yet there doesn't seem to be an answer coming in.

The answer has been posted several times, including to you personally, and I tire of repeating myself.

That's actually impossible, since you only plopped the phrase four posts ago and never did repeat it.

Wisely so I might add.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Indeed. Ergo, what you people are is not liberal.

"You people" ?

There seems to be an echo in your head.

And yet there doesn't seem to be an answer coming in.

The answer has been posted several times, including to you personally, and I tire of repeating myself.

That's actually impossible, since you only plopped the phrase four posts ago and never did repeat it.

Wisely so I might add.

Actually, I've been using the phrase regularly in reference to you people for just about twenty years now, including the two years I've been active here.

 

[Pogo]

"You people" ?

There seems to be an echo in your head.

And yet there doesn't seem to be an answer coming in.

The answer has been posted several times, including to you personally, and I tire of repeating myself.

That's actually impossible, since you only plopped the phrase four posts ago and never did repeat it.

Wisely so I might add.

Actually, I've been using the phrase regularly in reference to you people for just about twenty years now, including the two years I've been active here.

And here we are again back at square one.
This must be what it's like to put a record on the turntable and then stare at the label spinning around, expecting it to do something different this time.

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