Oklahoma Fears Collapse As Supreme Court Decides Whether To Return Half Its Land To The Cherokee

[the other mike]

Published November 29, 2018
Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of American history knows that white settlers steadily seized Native American lands over the course of several centuries in order to build the United States. But what’s not so well-known is that a version of that same land grab continues to play out today.

However, the Supreme Court will soon have a chance to not only put an end to that, but also to return an enormous chunk of land — half of Oklahoma — to its Native American owners.

The story begins in 1835, when the U.S. government pushed the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma into signing a removal treaty in which they gave up their homelands spanning much of the southeastern U.S. in exchange for rights to lands in the so-called Indian territories that make up present-day Oklahoma. The forced removal of many Native Americans in the aftermath of this is widely known today as the Trail of Tears.

An 1866 treaty secured the Cherokee lands, but in 1907, the federal government once again infringed on Native American soil and took all the land belonging to the Cherokee Nation, divided it between individual citizens, and opened it up for settlement to American citizens. This merger of Oklahoma territory and Native American-owned territory gave birth to the state of Oklahoma.

Today, only 74 percent of the Cherokee Nation land that was first promised to the tribe in 1835 remains Indian-owned — and they’re continuing to lose more of that land to this day.
Continued
The Cherokee May Soon Get Back Half Of Oklahoma Thanks To The Supreme Court

Here's a two-minute history lesson.

 

[Confounding]

Completely fucking ridiculous. It's time to move on. Nationalize the reservations and tell them to get the fuck over it IMO.

 

[Jackson]

Mod Edit

You know all of this happened nearly 300 years agao. Everyone was building a new state, and the Indians made deals they probably regret. Some of the land was taken illegally and the US has been paying reparations for decades. Forget the past and move on in harmony.

 

[the other mike]

You know all of this happened nearly 300 years agao. Everyone was building a new state, and the Indians made deals they probably regret. Some of the land was taken illegally and the US has been paying reparations for decades. Forget the past and move on in harmony.

This was 3 years ago in North Dakota.
Can you feel the harmony ?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Published November 29, 2018
Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of American history knows that white settlers steadily seized Native American lands over the course of several centuries in order to build the United States. But what’s not so well-known is that a version of that same land grab continues to play out today.

However, the Supreme Court will soon have a chance to not only put an end to that, but also to return an enormous chunk of land — half of Oklahoma — to its Native American owners.

The story begins in 1835, when the U.S. government pushed the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma into signing a removal treaty in which they gave up their homelands spanning much of the southeastern U.S. in exchange for rights to lands in the so-called Indian territories that make up present-day Oklahoma. The forced removal of many Native Americans in the aftermath of this is widely known today as the Trail of Tears.

An 1866 treaty secured the Cherokee lands, but in 1907, the federal government once again infringed on Native American soil and took all the land belonging to the Cherokee Nation, divided it between individual citizens, and opened it up for settlement to American citizens. This merger of Oklahoma territory and Native American-owned territory gave birth to the state of Oklahoma.

Today, only 74 percent of the Cherokee Nation land that was first promised to the tribe in 1835 remains Indian-owned — and they’re continuing to lose more of that land to this day.
Continued
The Cherokee May Soon Get Back Half Of Oklahoma Thanks To The Supreme Court

Here's a two-minute history lesson.

What does Liz Warren have to say?

 

[the other mike]

I wonder if Trump would pull a Jackson and override the Supreme Court
if they decided to return the land.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We should give SoCal back to Mexico

 

[Confounding]

the Indians made deals they probably regret.

They would have regretted the alternative even more. You know, the one that involved a bunch of bullets. To the victors go the spoils, and it has been so all throughout history. Do we also owe big chunks of Texas and California to the descendants of the people that lost the war between the U.S and Mexico? Fuck no. We are not responsible for shit that transpired generations before we were born. The world has changed. These Native American descendants calling for more shit from the fed can go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Jackson]

You know all of this happened nearly 300 years agao. Everyone was building a new state, and the Indians made deals they probably regret. Some of the land was taken illegally and the US has been paying reparations for decades. Forget the past and move on in harmony.

This was 3 years ago in North Dakota.
Can you feel the harmony ?

If the Native Americans want anything, it should be for their people to sober up.

 

[petro]

They found a way here to get reparations already....
One armed bandits taking white folks Social Security checks.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

We should give SoCal back to Mexico

they have already taken it back

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

No, the Supreme Court isn't giving half of Oklahoma away. That's a completely nonsensical premise

 

[EvilCat Breath]

We should give SoCal back to Mexico

We already did that.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Published November 29, 2018
Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of American history knows that white settlers steadily seized Native American lands over the course of several centuries in order to build the United States. But what’s not so well-known is that a version of that same land grab continues to play out today.

However, the Supreme Court will soon have a chance to not only put an end to that, but also to return an enormous chunk of land — half of Oklahoma — to its Native American owners.

The story begins in 1835, when the U.S. government pushed the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma into signing a removal treaty in which they gave up their homelands spanning much of the southeastern U.S. in exchange for rights to lands in the so-called Indian territories that make up present-day Oklahoma. The forced removal of many Native Americans in the aftermath of this is widely known today as the Trail of Tears.

An 1866 treaty secured the Cherokee lands, but in 1907, the federal government once again infringed on Native American soil and took all the land belonging to the Cherokee Nation, divided it between individual citizens, and opened it up for settlement to American citizens. This merger of Oklahoma territory and Native American-owned territory gave birth to the state of Oklahoma.

Today, only 74 percent of the Cherokee Nation land that was first promised to the tribe in 1835 remains Indian-owned — and they’re continuing to lose more of that land to this day.
Continued
The Cherokee May Soon Get Back Half Of Oklahoma Thanks To The Supreme Court

Here's a two-minute history lesson.

What does Liz Warren have to say?

As much as Ted Cruz seeing neither are Native...

 

[Norman]

I sense a strong aura of self hate around the OP.

 

[Truth2Know]

… white settlers steadily seized Native American lands ...

It is ludicrous to say that these were "Native American lands." Why? Because they were "here first?"

The world does not operate on second grade principles, Angelo. Something only qualifies as yours if you can prevent others from taking it. This applies to your wallet, your woman (or man), and your land.

The Native Americans lost with respect to the settlers and so lost free use of "their" land. If the current citizens of the United States don't wise up and thwart the attacks on our country, we will lose our freedoms, too.

 

[the other mike]

… white settlers steadily seized Native American lands ...

It is ludicrous to say that these were "Native American lands." Why? Because they were "here first?"

The world does not operate on second grade principles, Angelo. Something only qualifies as yours if you can prevent others from taking it. This applies to your wallet, your woman (or man), and your land.

The Native Americans lost with respect to the settlers and so lost free use of "their" land. If the current citizens of the United States don't wise up and thwart the attacks on our country, we will lose our freedoms, too.

We already lost our Constitution by and large.

 

[PoliticalChic]

… white settlers steadily seized Native American lands ...

It is ludicrous to say that these were "Native American lands." Why? Because they were "here first?"

The world does not operate on second grade principles, Angelo. Something only qualifies as yours if you can prevent others from taking it. This applies to your wallet, your woman (or man), and your land.

The Native Americans lost with respect to the settlers and so lost free use of "their" land. If the current citizens of the United States don't wise up and thwart the attacks on our country, we will lose our freedoms, too.

Too correct!!!

The stone-age people called Indians....certainly not 'native'.....had no concept of ownership of land before European settlers brought the concepts of capitalism to them.



1. Did the colonists steal THEIR land?

"The implications for the Indian question are straightforward. Namely: In the extremely unlikely event that any particular Indian can show that he personally is the rightful heir of a particular Indian who was wrongfully dispossessed of a particular piece of property, the current occupants should hand him the keys to his birthright and vacate the premises. Otherwise the current occupants have the morally strongest claim to their property,and the status quo should continue.

Anything more is just the doctrine of collective guiltmasquerading as a defense of property rights."
Do Indians Rightfully Own America Bryan Caplan EconLog Library of Economics and Liberty




2. "One popular history of Manhattan notes that the Canarsie Indians "dwelt on Long Island, merely trading on Manhattan, and their trickery [in selling what they didn't possess to the Dutch] made it necessary for the white man to buy part of the island over again from the tribes living near Washington Heights. Still more crafty were the Raritans of [Staten Island], for therecords show that Staten Island was sold by these Indians no less than six times."
The Straight Dope How much would the 24 paid for Manhattan be worth in today s money


1626 Peter Minuit purchased the island of Manhattan from the Canarsee Native Americans on May 24, 1626. However, the Canarsee were actually native to Brooklyn, while Manhattan was home instead to the Weckquaesgeek,(Wappnai) who were not pleased by the exchange and later battled the Dutch in Kieft's War. Peter Minuit (1589-1638)



3. And because they had no concept of private property, Indians regularly killed the animals that they hunted to the point of extinction.

 

[the other mike]

The world does not operate on second grade principles, Angelo.

How did Trump get elected then?