Obama's success in Israeli peace process

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    A coup for Obama will be anything substantial he brings to the peace process in Israel. Can Obama trade weapons for a historic presidential coup. A two state solution accepted by Hamas and the current Israeli government.

    I personally think its a huge mistake to make a new country in the Middle East, all the other countries are horrendous failures when it comes to human rights and the distribution of oil profits. The new state of Palestine has no oil, no reserves of minerals, no water, no economy. On top of these problems the new state will most likely have to make deals with other nations who have never accepted the existence of Israel. Will Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the other Arab states accept Israel, will they accept Obama's settlement or will another military settlement come in the future.

    I think history shows that the problems of the USA interfering in the Middle East are always unforeseen at the time.

    The Price of Success - By Aaron David Miller | Foreign Policy

     
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    I don't know.. .the Israel/Egypt peace is still pretty successful.

    of course, Egyptians weren't terrorists.

    But we'll see. I doubt Hamas wants any resolution. They're out of business if there is.
     
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    I think it needs to be said that if obama had not out of nowhere decided to make a settlement freeze a precursor to not part of negotiations as they always had been, we would have gotten down to the actual negotiations in earnest a year and a half ago.

    Netanyahu stretched and went along, got zero credit for it while giving Abbas something for exactly nothing. back to square one.
     
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    I am not sure what will happen, I think its interesting to point out that if something does happen Obama gets all the credit, as long as it succeeds. Can we say any death after a peace process belongs to Obama. That may be a stretch but if there is any major terror acts then the process was a failure.

    I think its an impossibility, dividing Israel into two states is a mistake.

    Only time will tell.
     
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    Part of the peace with Egypt was that Israel withdraw from Egypt. The Palestinians would accept such a deal.
     
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    Don't worry. The peace process is designed to fail, and it will.

    It didn't work the last four times so lets do the same thing again.:cuckoo:
     
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    I once read, and dont remember where, that the reason they divided the Middle East was so that there would always be fighting hence the Middle East would always need Britain and France to keep the peace. I say Britain and France taking it back to the League of Nations and such and such treaty or meeting that drew the lines on the defeated Ottoman empire.

    One thing despite what one thinks of the Ottoman empire, they kept the Arab world together a long time, five hundred years, they only lost control towards the end. Maybe Arabs are better off being the a part of a bigger empire, but still that sunni-shia-whabbi thing always is another problem.

    History is Arab tribe fighting Arab tribe.

    Jordan seems silent.
     
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    This is why the peace process fails, dummy...
    "Oh, Allah, Kill All Jews"
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    There are two thing you never hear in the peace talks: justice and international law. The Palestinians have consistently called for justice and a peace agreement based on international law. Those who propose fake peace talks avoid these things.
     
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    Pallies are in flagrant violation of international law in supporting terrorism, clown.

    "Oh, Allah, Kill All Jews And Americans"
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