Obamacare Only Looks Worse Upon Further Review

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    Obamacare Only Looks Worse Upon Further Review



    By Kevin Hassett - Aug 1, 2010 8:00 PM CDT

    One of the more illuminating remarks during the health-care debate in Congress came when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told an audience that Democrats would “pass the bill so you can find out what’s in it, away from the fog of controversy.”

    That remark captured the truth that, while many Americans have a vague sense that something bad is happening to their health care, few if any understand exactly what the law does.

    To fill this vacuum, Representative Kevin Brady of Texas, the top House Republican on the Joint Economic Committee, asked his staff to prepare a study of the law, including a flow chart that illustrates how the major provisions will work.

    The result, made public July 28, provides citizens with a preview of the impact the health-care overhaul will have on their lives. It’s a terrifying road map that shows Democrats have launched America on the most reckless policy experiment in its history, the economic equivalent of the Bay of Pigs invasion.

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    Congressman Kevin Brady (TX08) :: Press Release :: AMERICA'S NEW HEALTH CARE SYSTEM REVEALED
     
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    Can you identify the components of that chart that are directly attributable to the reform law (i.e. the things that don't exist without it)?
     
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    All of them.
     
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    Oh come on. This is a picture of any and all things even tangentially related to health care in the United States with lots of random lines drawn between them in an attempt to somehow impress you. There's actually a box that says "states." Most of the items in that ridiculous graphic--and the relationships between them--aren't new.

    Let me ask you this: what do you think this picture shows?
     
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    I believe the graph above I posted is 100% accurate. If you don't, be specific, point out what's wrong and some sort of proof to show why.

    Well take it from there.
     
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    Accurate about what? What point is it making?

    If you're suggesting it's a picture of "OBAMACARE'S BEWILDERING COMPLEXITY" as your link suggests, that's obviously false as it's a picture--purposefully designed to seem confusing and disorganized--of the American health care landscape with the additions made by reform factored in (these, by the way, are modest compared with the part of the graphic that was already there before reform).

    So let's get to the heart of it: what are you finding to be bewilderingly complex?
     
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    Really? If it wasn't such a massive "new" government bureaucracy, then how could the graph be made confusing. It's confusing because it is, because of the endless patch work of agencies and control. It illustrates, in detail, just how expansive, intrusive, over reaching and complex this health care take over by obama and his liberal accomplices is. It's the greatest power grab by any administration in the history of America, and there's currently a dozen or so legal challenges in court right now challenging it's constitutionality.

    So you can poo-poo it away as though it's nothing if you want. I know better. I hope it's repealed, and the next Presidential candidate I vote for in 2012 will vow to do just that, or he/she won't get my vote. It's a monstrosity, a disaster, an unconstitutional catastrophe.
     
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    Well, for starters it mixes content types: you have agencies listed next to specific offices (people) within those agencies listed next to programs listed next to financial instruments listed next to pieces of legislation listed next to products listed next to concepts. As I said, they just dumped all the words related to our health care system they could into one graphic with no real logical structure. Again, what point is it making? That there are a number of moving pieces in our health care system? Yes, there are. That's not an innovation of health reform--most of the things on that graphic existed prior to reform.

    If some of these bubbles were nested--as they are in reality, organizationally (e.g. the CMS Actuary is part of CMS)--and arrayed in a fashion that demonstrated the organizational structure of our system, you'd have a much tidier graphic. But that would lose the effect.
     
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    By your admission, what is on the graph is all pertinent to the health care system. Whether it was prior or not isn't the point. The fact of the matter is, obamacare was a massive expansion of government control and a power grab, and everything that is on the graph presently is part of it. Is it confusing? You bet. That's the way it was crafted, by obama and the left, not the graph maker.
     
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    The point is, imagine you've repealed the law. Or gone back in time and prevented it from being written. How much does your graphic change? Not all that much. Most of the items remain: states, employers, private plans, Cabinet-level departments and their subdivisions (DHHS and subdivisions like CMS, AHRQ, etc).

    But again: what are you finding to be bewilderingly complex or confusing?
     

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