Obama Supports Individual Gun Rights

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    MILWAUKEE (AP) - Barack Obama said Friday that the country must do "whatever it takes" to eradicate gun violence following a campus shooting in his home state, but he believes in an individual's right to bear arms.

    Obama said he spoke to Northern Illinois University's president Friday morning by phone and offered whatever help his Senate office could provide in the investigation and improving campus security. The Democratic presidential candidate spoke about the Illinois shooting to reporters while campaigning in neighboring Wisconsin.

    The senator, a former constitutional law instructor, said some scholars argue the Second Amendment to the Constitution guarantees gun ownerships only to militias, but he believes it grants individual gun rights.

    "I think there is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to commonsense regulation" like background checks, he said during a news conference.

    He said he would support federal legislation based on a California law that would facilitate immediate tracing of bullets used in a crime. He said even though the California law was passed over the strong objection of the National Rifle Association, he thinks it's the type of law that gun owners and crime victims can get behind.

    Five people, including the shooter, were killed during Thursday's ambush inside a lecture hall. Authorities said the two guns used were purchased legally less then a week ago.

    "Today we offer them our thoughts and prayers, but we also have to offer them our determination to do whatever it takes to eradicate this violence from our streets, from our schools, from our neighborhoods and our cities," Obama said. "That is our duty as Americans."

    Although Obama supports gun control, while campaigning in gun-friendly Idaho earlier this month, he said he does not intend to take away people's guns.

    At his news conference, he voiced support for the District of Columbia's ban on handguns, which is scheduled to be heard by the Supreme Court next month.

    "The notion that somehow local jurisdictions can't initiate gun safety laws to deal with gang bangers and random shootings on the street isn't born out by our Constitution," Obama said.

    Obama also:

    —Said Clinton now is attacking him for watering down a bill to regulate the nuclear industry that she also voted for and touted on her Web site. He suggested her attack was made out of desperation because his campaign is ahead.

    "I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she's feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal," he said. "But I think this kind of gamesmanship is not what the American people are looking for."

    —Seemed to hedge on his statement last year that he would accept public funds if his Republican opponent did as well. Likely GOP nominee John McCain has said he would adhere to such an agreement, but Obama was not willing to make such a firm commitment.

    "If I am the nominee, then I will make sure that our people talk to John McCain's people to find out if we're willing to abide by the same rules and regulations with respect to the general election going forward," Obama said. "But it would be presumptuous of me to say now that I'm locking myself into something when I don't even know if the other side is going to agree to it and I'm not the nominee yet."

    —Blamed problems with the economy on a "failure of leadership in Washington" that includes decisions by the Bush administration on taxes and the Clinton administration on trade. He criticized "politicians (who) tout NAFTA as a success when they're in the White House and then call it a mistake when they're on the campaign trail."

    —Said he has not considered whether he would give up his Senate seat if he wins the presidential nomination.

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    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8UQTAS80&show_article=1
     
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    Yeah, heard that on the news. Two things though, "whatever it takes" sounds vague to me. Also, "I think there is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to commonsense regulation" like background checks, he said during a news conference." Instead of "I think", which sounds somewhat like he has a differing opinion on the 2nd amendment, he should have clarified by saying, every individual has the right to bear arms. However, in the bigger picture, even if he were to try to ban handguns, he'd be stopped.
     
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    wold you rather have a guy saying the above or a person looking to totally disregard the second amendment in the white house? for a dem, i'll take it.
     
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    Why would anyone think that every individual should be allowed the right to bear arms? That's ridiculous! People with mental disorders, like the grad student at NIU should not be allowed to bear arms because they are the ones with the potential to take lives of the innocent just because of their inability to cope with their lives.

    I'm a supporter of the 2nd amendment, but I think it needs regulation. I don't believe anyone should be able to go out and buy a semi-automatic weapon. I don't believe handguns should be on the market, because handguns solely serve the purpose to kill humans. I've got no problem if someone wants to own all the hunting rifles and shot guns, but we truly do not need to allow just anyone to own a concealable weapon with the potential to shoot 20 people before someone can stop them.
     
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    It sounds to me like he accepts the principle of the 2nd Amendment. That IS better than someone that wants to ban all weapons. The term Common sense in regards to gun laws is acceptable to me. I have no problem with tracking bullets or any other method to determine who or what was used in a crime. As long as no effort is made to ban or restrict our rights as an effort to "protect" us.
     
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    I disagree. Banning handguns is simply a first step to banning other weapons. As to Semi automatic weapons I am completely opposed to banning them, that to is simply a means to ban weapons. There is nothing wrong with them. As I recall Kennedy was killed with a bolt action rifle, 3 shots in less than how much time?

    There is no need for MORE regulations, enforce the laws we have now, there are over 20 thousand laws on the books, USE them.
     
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    I can go with that, shogun. I've heard worse from dems concerning guns.

    In respnse to charleston chad, clarification: by everyone I mean law abiding citizens that fall within the laws that we have established. No, hell no, I don't want some mentally ill freak or a felon having guns. Also, I completely disagree with you on handguns and semi automatics. This is an opening for the gun activists to make more laws. I have several handguns and hope like hell that I never have to use one but banning, no way.
     
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    See, Gunny, we actually agree on something.:eusa_think:

    I own guns. I don't hunt anymore, but I still keep them.

    I believe we need wating periods and we need to be more diligent in how we do background checks. Didn't work too well with the kid in Illinois.

    At the same time, I have no problem banning assault weapons for personal use. Never met a deer or peasant that tough. Or is it pheasant?
     
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    There really is no real "assault weapon" though and more specifically the only current decision by the Supreme Court ( 1939) specifically states weapons must be of military use and common to be protected by the 2nd Amendment.

    I don't like waiting periods, BUT they are acceptable means to deny criminals weapons. And while personally I don't like them as a member of society I understand their need and use.
     
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    Just look at all of the recent shootings. How many of those involved semi-automatic weapons and handguns? Simply put, hand guns are made for killing humans. I don't support devices sold to Americans made with the purpose of killing other Americans.
     

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