Obama going head on with somali pirates

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/14/world/africa/14pirates.html?_r=1&hp


    http://www.examiner.com/a-1958841~Obama_vows_to_fight_piracy_after_captain_s_rescue.html


    Another side question is: what will happen with the hostage? (the captured pirate)
    Will he be trialed in the US? Or in Kenya?
     
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    1993 is an example of why you don't retreat or run from a problem. By doing so, the end result is present day Somalia. There is varying alternatives with consequences.
     
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    Im skeptical at this stage. let's see how he does.
     
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    Has the hostage pilot started screaming torture yet? :eusa_whistle:
     
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    All talk and no action. We can easily destroy all pirate vessels and lay waste to any Pirate safe haven. And we can land in Somalia to do a mission and then.... wait for it..... wait for it...... LEAVE after the raid.

    Obama is a Coward. I repeat if any American Merchant Marine dies because Obama did not act, I consider that a High Crime punishable by Impeachment for totally failing as the leader of this Country.
     
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    Munin, you show an incrediible talent at using google, the depth of thought involved in coming up with the correct words to google must be commended.

    Obama's decisive action was to consult LAWYERS and draft legal documents. Our military will now operate under the direction of Obama's legal team.

    Obama's cabinet essentially being Clinton's cabinet we now see the Obama will CHANGE policy back to the policies of Bill Clinton that led to 9/11.

    Until a crime is commited we will not be able to do a thing, and then we will use the military to assist the FBI to arrest "suspects", who will be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

    This is a simple fact, as we see that the FBI was on the navy vessel and as Munin points out the 16 year old boy will be tried as a child in a court of law.

    I am sure the clever lawyers will easily be able to get the boy released, for the boy obviously was coereced into being a pirate by the older pirates.

    Obama's decisive action was consulting with lawyers.
     
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    That is kind of a problem, this already happened in the past but due to mr Clinton and the incompetence of congress the US and international military forces pulled out of somalia after the nightmare (at least in the eyes of the american politicians) of "black hawk down".

    The True Story Of Black Hawk Down

    I don't think it will be easy to order an in land somali attack, if it isn't politically impossible.
     
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    This isn't sure yet, it could be that the pirate will be trialed in Kenya, where he would have a much different treatment from the justice system.
     
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    Operation Gothic Serpent was a textbook example of everything that can go wrong happening in one operation. Clinton's competence had nothing to do with it. If anyone is to blame, the US military vastly underestimated Aidid's capabilities. The tactic used was based on perfect timing and Aidid's people threw that off when they blocked the escape convoys from getting to the pickup points in Mogadishu. The US relied on surprise as the winning factor and when it didn't work, the fact they had no contingency resulted in "Blackhawk Down."

    We're already stuck in two nations trying to build governments; yet, we should get involved in another?

    The most prudent and cost-effective strategy right now would be to arm the crews or provide the ships with armed, physical security. Being attacked by the USS Minnow with a handful of idiots armed with small arms doesn't really justify the amount of money and resources it takes to divert US Naval assets to try and patrol the Gulf of Aden.
     
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    True, but clinton didn't finish the mission that initially failed (he didn't kill the target). I m not sure wether he should have gone in again or not, since the initial purpose of US troops being in somalia was helping the somali people (giving food aid, centralized government). Now they ve turned hostile, the only effect that the attack would have would be similar to genocide.

    What do you think? Should Clinton have ordered to revenge the dead americans? Or did he do the right thing?


    The problem with arming civilian ships & sailors is that it is not allowed by international shipping laws. The other issue is that the sailors of trading vessels aren't trained for attacking pirates, while we have the people that are trained for this in the Navy.
     

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