Obama = Carter Part II ??

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    After the spectacle of failure this past couple weeks, folks are starting to wonder if this kid Obama is gonna be Carter Part II.

    For those of you who can recall the dark days of the Carter administration, is it back to the future with Obama?
     
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    yawn.


    post something with wit or humor. nobody wants a hissy-tory lesson

    yawn
     
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    So you don't deny that Carter was a disaster - good.

    Then perhaps open your eyes just a bit to the seeming link between he and Obama.

    Is that a legitimate link or not?
     
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    Yes, the GOP set Carter up and would not allow him to govern.

    He was too liberal.

    That's why Clinton was a centrist.

    Last liberal before Carter was Kennedy, and you see what the GOP did to him.

    So Obama has to be careful. Yes he works for the people, but he can only push so much. The Corporate fascists who pulled Bush's strings would have no problem offing a president or civil rights leader.

    The Grand Old Obstuctionist Party will try to do it the easy way first though. If they can make Obama ineffective like they did Carter, they won't resort to violence.


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    Your post is an abomination to common sense!

    Be very grateful you live in a nation that affords you the protection to be so inept and careless with the concepts of truth and logic and basic understanding of American history.

    And you would do well to familiarize yourself with President Kennedy - by today's political standards he would be at the very least, a conservative Democrat, or quite possibly a moderate Republican.

    The Democratic Party of today is not the Democrat Party of Kennedy's era!

    The tone of all your comments have the trappings of one who believes the twin towers were brought down by the government - true?
     
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    Carter's problem was not the Republicans but the Democrats who controlled both Houses of Congress and thought he was not liberal enough. In 1980, Carter was beaten by Reagan only after being mauled by Ted Kennedy in a brutal primary battle. Obama is likely to face the same kind of power struggle from Congressional Democrats. The stimulus bill the House passed is clearly not the kind of bill Obama had wanted, and as word has leaked out that that Geithner, Summers and Bernake are considering a new rescue plan for the banks, Dodd and Frank have told the administration to not even bother asking for more money for the banks.

    Of course, much of this is Obama's fault. Instead of sending down to Congress the stimulus bill he wanted, he deferred to Pelosi by only sending a broad outline of the bill and leaving it up to her to decide what the specifics should be, and by including pet projects that had nothing to do with a stimulus, Nancy set the bill up to be challenged by the Republicans. Before Obama tries to show the Republicans or the Iranians that he has the backbone of steel Biden claimed for him, he needs to grow a pair big enough to stand up to Nancy or he'll spend the next four years as a figurehead or cheerleader while the Democrats and Republicans battle out the issues in Congress without paying much attention to him.

    The last liberal president before Carter was LBJ, arguably the most liberal president America has ever had. Kennedy was a politician who depended on support from labor unions but there is nothing to suggest he was liberal himself.
     
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    Thank you! Finally someone who has studied a bit of 20th Century history. :clap2:

    Like Carter, Obama faces a very leftist element within the Democrat Party - one that may very well be more leftist than even in Carter's time.

    The chaos between the Obama administration and the Pelosi Democrat-controlled House is a perfect example of this challenge Obama faces.

    Thus, the quite apt description of Obama = Carter II.
     
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    I truly believe that HW Bush, CIA DIRECTOR at the time, made a deal with the Iranians to keep the hostages until after the election.

    That's why he was made VP.

    If you search, you'll find out that the Bush families assets were frozen for dealing with the Nazi's in WW2 and it is clear today that they do business with the Bin Ladins.

    Carter was winning until the Iran hostage thing.

    And then later Reagan/Ollie North got busted on the Iran/Contra scandal.

    Do you have to be a conspiracy theorist to figure this out?

    This is where the term October Surprise comes from.

    PS. The media isn't liberal either. They may appear to be at times, but there are certain things the corporate/mainstream media just will never tell you. One thing is that Bush was lying about WMD's.

    Another one would be that it was Chaney sending anthrax out. Who got Anthraxed? Daschel & Leahy? Two men trying to stop the Patriot Act.

    And what evidence did Chaney have that it was Saddam who was mailing out anthrax? So there is proof that at least Chaney is a big fat fucking liar.

    Plus they said they could have never imagined flying planes into buildings, but then we find out they were briefed on exactly that.

    I know, I'm :cuckoo:
     
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    Haha! Wait till you read my previous post. I do think the Gov knew about 9-11. The GOP gov that is. PNAC baby!!!

    Also, the left isn't as left as you think. You only think they are far left because you and guys like Karl Rove start every conversation from the far right. There are books written on how the GOP moved the country to the right.

    And the country has moved back to the left of center. But you'll say they just moved to the center. But that's because you guys moved far right. And you are really the moral minority, not majority. But you speak loudly so people think there are a lot of you. There are, just in the red states. Blue states are more liberal than you think. Not as liberal as I would like, but better than you think. And we finally won over Ohio & Colorado. Welcome home boys!!!

    PS. The income tx is unconstitutional. Congress was bribed in 1913 to sign the Fed Reserve Act. That's when the bankers took over the country. We haven't been free since. You only think you are. How much debt are you in? They own you!
     
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    I will say it again - some of you in here should be very grateful you live in a country so powerful as to allow such a lack of historical insight and basic common decency to be part of the collective discourse.

    You are amusing, but on some level it must bother you to know you are not taken seriously.

    Then again, perhaps not...
     
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