C_Clayton_Jones
Diamond Member
The irony of this, of course, is had the House agreed to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire for the wealthy last year, thered be considerably more revenue available to realize actual, substantive deficit reduction.
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Actually the fascists won.
Der Tea Party prevailed in getting what they wanted.
Swallow, would you like me to post again for you the Tea party bill? This bill that passed was nothing close to a TP bill. The TP bill balanced the budget in 5 years for starters.
Oh gosh..no.
No swallow for you.
My little tea party girlie man.
I ain't into the "Crying Game" thing.
Only blow jobs I like are from women.
Not girlie men.
Like you.
The fact that the debt ceiling was tied to the budget in the first place and not a clean bill...like has been done 102 times since 1917, including 18 times for Reagan...means that the Tea Baggers *won".
*were mostly successful in their hostage negotiations
It can also be considered somewhat of a success for President Obama in that the main hostage, the debt ceiling, was not killed outright as many of the Tea Baggers wanted.
we wouldn't have to raise the debt ceiling if not for the failure of leadership from the white house.
The irony of this, of course, is had the House agreed to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire for the wealthy last year, thered be considerably more revenue available to realize actual, substantive deficit reduction.
The fact that the debt ceiling was tied to the budget in the first place and not a clean bill...like has been done 102 times since 1917, including 18 times for Reagan...means that the Tea Baggers *won".
*were mostly successful in their hostage negotiations
It can also be considered somewhat of a success for President Obama in that the main hostage, the debt ceiling, was not killed outright as many of the Tea Baggers wanted.
we wouldn't have to raise the debt ceiling if not for the failure of leadership from the white house.
So leadership "failed" about once a year for 100 years on average. So, what was different this time...other than this president?
The only thing the Tea Baggers wanted that they didn't get was the total collapse of the US economy.
The only thing the Tea Baggers wanted that they didn't get was the total collapse of the US economy.
/sigh...
The "Tea baggers" are the only group of the 4 (Dems/Obama/Reps?Tea Party) that offered a balanced budget, in 5 years... with a surplus... Of course you would rather a bill made by Neocons and Dems gets passed but when no one likes it you try and pawn it off on the Tea Party, nice... lol.
More Marxism from this Administration and another giant step towards finally collapsing our nation. Here are some facts about this awful bill:
To paraphrase Senator Jim DeMint: When you're speeding toward the edge of a cliff, you don't set the cruise control. You stop the car. The current deal to raise the debt ceiling doesn't stop us from going over the fiscal cliff. At best, it slows us from going over it at 80 mph to going over it at 60 mph.
■ Adds at least $7 trillion to our debt over the next 10 years. The deal purports to "cut" $2.1 trillion, but the "cut" is from a baseline that adds $10 trillion to the debt. This deal, even if all targets are met and the Super Committee wields its mandate - results in a BEST case scenario of still adding more than $7 trillion more in debt over the next 10 years. That is sickening.
■ Never, ever balances.
■ The Super Committee's mandate is to add $7 trillion in new debt. Let's be clear: $2.1 trillion in reductions off a nearly $10 trillion,10-year debt is still more than $7 trillion in debt. The Super Committee limits the constitutional check of the filibuster by expediting passage of bills with a simple majority. The Super Committee is not precluded from any issue, therefore the filibuster could be rendered moot. In addition, the plan harms the possible passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment. Since the goal is never to balance, having the BBA as a "trigger" ensures that the committee will simply report its $1.2 trillion deficit reduction plan and never move to a BBA vote.
■ It cuts too slowly. Even if you believe cutting $2.1 trillion out of $10 trillion is a good compromise, surely we can start cutting quickly, say $200 billion-$300 billion per year, right? Wrong. This plan so badly backloads the alleged savings that the cuts are simply meaningless. Why do we believe that the goal of $2.5 trillion over 10 years (that's an average of $250 billion per year) will EVER be met if the first two years cuts are $20 billion and $50 billion. There is simply no path in this bill even to the meager savings they are alleging will take place
To the Tea Party - I say thank you for your efforts. You fought one hell of a fight and made a huge difference with the American people.
To the GOP - I say you failed us once again. And once again, you proved that you are just big government, big spending, liberals.
To the Dumbocrats - I say congratulations. The party that has been hijacked by radical Marxists/Socialists/Communists is one step closer to their ultimate goal of bringing down America, and replacing it's Capitalism with Communism. You even managed to convince your followers that the Tea Party "won" with this new bill so you can later blame them for the failure. I've got to hand it to you radicals - you are damn good with the insane propaganda. Somewhere (most likely in hell - where most of you will end up), Joseph Stalin is proud.
What's worse than all that. Is most of the "cuts" Are not immediate, and will actually require Future Congresses to pass legislation to make it legal. Which of course we can all assume will not happen.
This deal is a shame. All parties involved should be removed from office for incompetence.
If Obama wins re-election Americans are the stupidest people on planet earth. In a nut shell what he has done. Is come into office on a wave that in part was saying "Bush spent to much and crashed the economy" then once in office increased non Defense Discretionary spending by over 80%, Then make a big deal about agreeing to, down the road, cut out a small % of that new Spending, While all the while saying we need more taxes to pay for all his new Non Defense Discretionary spending. So if you guys vote for this man. You are fools. he thinks you are so stupid that he can shovel Shit Down your throats and you will smile and say, Can I have 2nds.
And before you get excited Republicans. I feel the same damn way about 80% of the GOP right now. Including Boner. To hell with them all. Time start studying 3rd party candidates. LOL Really am that fed up with Both Political Parties.
More Marxism from this Administration and another giant step towards finally collapsing our nation. Here are some facts about this awful bill:
To paraphrase Senator Jim DeMint: When you're speeding toward the edge of a cliff, you don't set the cruise control. You stop the car. The current deal to raise the debt ceiling doesn't stop us from going over the fiscal cliff. At best, it slows us from going over it at 80 mph to going over it at 60 mph.
■ Adds at least $7 trillion to our debt over the next 10 years. The deal purports to "cut" $2.1 trillion, but the "cut" is from a baseline that adds $10 trillion to the debt. This deal, even if all targets are met and the Super Committee wields its mandate - results in a BEST case scenario of still adding more than $7 trillion more in debt over the next 10 years. That is sickening.
■ Never, ever balances.
■ The Super Committee's mandate is to add $7 trillion in new debt. Let's be clear: $2.1 trillion in reductions off a nearly $10 trillion,10-year debt is still more than $7 trillion in debt. The Super Committee limits the constitutional check of the filibuster by expediting passage of bills with a simple majority. The Super Committee is not precluded from any issue, therefore the filibuster could be rendered moot. In addition, the plan harms the possible passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment. Since the goal is never to balance, having the BBA as a "trigger" ensures that the committee will simply report its $1.2 trillion deficit reduction plan and never move to a BBA vote.
■ It cuts too slowly. Even if you believe cutting $2.1 trillion out of $10 trillion is a good compromise, surely we can start cutting quickly, say $200 billion-$300 billion per year, right? Wrong. This plan so badly backloads the alleged savings that the cuts are simply meaningless. Why do we believe that the goal of $2.5 trillion over 10 years (that's an average of $250 billion per year) will EVER be met if the first two years cuts are $20 billion and $50 billion. There is simply no path in this bill even to the meager savings they are alleging will take place
To the Tea Party - I say thank you for your efforts. You fought one hell of a fight and made a huge difference with the American people.
To the GOP - I say you failed us once again. And once again, you proved that you are just big government, big spending, liberals.
To the Dumbocrats - I say congratulations. The party that has been hijacked by radical Marxists/Socialists/Communists is one step closer to their ultimate goal of bringing down America, and replacing it's Capitalism with Communism. You even managed to convince your followers that the Tea Party "won" with this new bill so you can later blame them for the failure. I've got to hand it to you radicals - you are damn good with the insane propaganda. Somewhere (most likely in hell - where most of you will end up), Joseph Stalin is proud.
What's worse than all that. Is most of the "cuts" Are not immediate, and will actually require Future Congresses to pass legislation to make it legal. Which of course we can all assume will not happen.
This deal is a shame. All parties involved should be removed from office for incompetence.
If Obama wins re-election Americans are the stupidest people on planet earth. In a nut shell what he has done. Is come into office on a wave that in part was saying "Bush spent to much and crashed the economy" then once in office increased non Defense Discretionary spending by over 80%, Then make a big deal about agreeing to, down the road, cut out a small % of that new Spending, While all the while saying we need more taxes to pay for all his new Non Defense Discretionary spending. So if you guys vote for this man. You are fools. he thinks you are so stupid that he can shovel Shit Down your throats and you will smile and say, Can I have 2nds.
And before you get excited Republicans. I feel the same damn way about 80% of the GOP right now. Including Boner. To hell with them all. Time start studying 3rd party candidates. LOL Really am that fed up with Both Political Parties.
It will happen if we elect more tea party politicians. Obviously they have no problem what-so-ever with taking on liberal democrats and rino republicans.
For a super MINORITY in the congress--tea party politicians held their ground--they didn't cave.--And for the FIRST time ever--even though we have been promised this for decades--there will be a stand alone vote on a balanced budget amendment. That would have never happened without the tea party movement in this country.--
The only thing the Tea Baggers wanted that they didn't get was the total collapse of the US economy.
/sigh...
The "Tea baggers" are the only group of the 4 (Dems/Obama/Reps?Tea Party) that offered a balanced budget, in 5 years... with a surplus... Of course you would rather a bill made by Neocons and Dems gets passed but when no one likes it you try and pawn it off on the Tea Party, nice... lol.
Not true.
The People's Budget
Can the Tea Party please STFU and let the economy recover now? tyvm. Pass some of those jobs bills and trade treaties you're blocking for NO REASON> tyvm
The fact that the debt ceiling was tied to the budget in the first place and not a clean bill...like has been done 102 times since 1917, including 18 times for Reagan...means that the Tea Baggers *won".
*were mostly successful in their hostage negotiations
It can also be considered somewhat of a success for President Obama in that the main hostage, the debt ceiling, was not killed outright as many of the Tea Baggers wanted.
we wouldn't have to raise the debt ceiling if not for the failure of leadership from the white house.
The fact that the debt ceiling was tied to the budget in the first place and not a clean bill...like has been done 102 times since 1917, including 18 times for Reagan...means that the Tea Baggers *won".
*were mostly successful in their hostage negotiations
It can also be considered somewhat of a success for President Obama in that the main hostage, the debt ceiling, was not killed outright as many of the Tea Baggers wanted.
we wouldn't have to raise the debt ceiling if not for the failure of leadership from the white house.
BettyBoop and Seahag didn't get the irony, Del
we wouldn't have to raise the debt ceiling if not for the failure of leadership from the white house.
BettyBoop and Seahag didn't get the irony, Del
I think it's you that is missing the irony. Tea Bagger god Ronald Reagan asked for debt limit increases to the tune of almost 200%. Why such opposition to this President?
More Marxism from this Administration and another giant step towards finally collapsing our nation. Here are some facts about this awful bill:
To paraphrase Senator Jim DeMint: When you're speeding toward the edge of a cliff, you don't set the cruise control. You stop the car. The current deal to raise the debt ceiling doesn't stop us from going over the fiscal cliff. At best, it slows us from going over it at 80 mph to going over it at 60 mph.
■ Adds at least $7 trillion to our debt over the next 10 years. The deal purports to "cut" $2.1 trillion, but the "cut" is from a baseline that adds $10 trillion to the debt. This deal, even if all targets are met and the Super Committee wields its mandate - results in a BEST case scenario of still adding more than $7 trillion more in debt over the next 10 years. That is sickening.
■ Never, ever balances.
■ The Super Committee's mandate is to add $7 trillion in new debt. Let's be clear: $2.1 trillion in reductions off a nearly $10 trillion,10-year debt is still more than $7 trillion in debt. The Super Committee limits the constitutional check of the filibuster by expediting passage of bills with a simple majority. The Super Committee is not precluded from any issue, therefore the filibuster could be rendered moot. In addition, the plan harms the possible passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment. Since the goal is never to balance, having the BBA as a "trigger" ensures that the committee will simply report its $1.2 trillion deficit reduction plan and never move to a BBA vote.
■ It cuts too slowly. Even if you believe cutting $2.1 trillion out of $10 trillion is a good compromise, surely we can start cutting quickly, say $200 billion-$300 billion per year, right? Wrong. This plan so badly backloads the alleged savings that the cuts are simply meaningless. Why do we believe that the goal of $2.5 trillion over 10 years (that's an average of $250 billion per year) will EVER be met if the first two years cuts are $20 billion and $50 billion. There is simply no path in this bill even to the meager savings they are alleging will take place
To the Tea Party - I say thank you for your efforts. You fought one hell of a fight and made a huge difference with the American people.
To the GOP - I say you failed us once again. And once again, you proved that you are just big government, big spending, liberals.
To the Dumbocrats - I say congratulations. The party that has been hijacked by radical Marxists/Socialists/Communists is one step closer to their ultimate goal of bringing down America, and replacing it's Capitalism with Communism. You even managed to convince your followers that the Tea Party "won" with this new bill so you can later blame them for the failure. I've got to hand it to you radicals - you are damn good with the insane propaganda. Somewhere (most likely in hell - where most of you will end up), Joseph Stalin is proud.
how can he be a marxist if companies are sitting on two trillion in cash and this crapfest the teaparty had a hissy fit over stalled them from spending some it to create some jobs?
You would think with him being a Marxist they all would be in the red.
Why do you suppose they are sitting on cash, collecting less than 1% interest when they could be investing in businesses earning 15% after tax?
Maybe the risk environment is bad? Hmm? Do you have a fucking clue what your'e talking about?
how does this make Obama a Marxist?