NYTimes Has Epiphany!

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    Democrats Fret Aloud Over Obama’s Chances

    1. Democrats are expressing growing alarm about President Obama’s re-election prospects and, in interviews, are openly acknowledging anxiety about the White House’s ability to strengthen the president’s standing over the next 14 months.

    2. Elected officials and party leaders at all levels said their worries have intensified as the economy has displayed new signs of weakness. They said the likelihood of a highly competitive 2012 race is increasing as the Republican field, once dismissed by many Democrats as too inexperienced and conservative to pose a serious threat, has started narrowing ....

    3. ...some in the party fear that Mr. Obama’s troubles could reverberate down the ballot into Congressional, state and local races.

    4. “In my district, the enthusiasm for him has mostly evaporated,” said Representative Peter A. DeFazio, Democrat of Oregon. “There is tremendous discontent with his direction.”

    5. ...a survey of two dozen Democratic officials found a palpable sense of concern that transcended a single week of ups and downs. The conversations signaled a change in mood from only a few months ago, when Democrats widely believed that Mr. Obama’s path to re-election, while challenging, was secure.

    6.There is little cause for immediate optimism, with polls showing Mr. Obama at one of the lowest points of his presidency.

    7. And polling suggests that the president’s yearlong effort to reclaim the political center has so far yielded little in the way of additional support from the moderates and independents who tend to decide presidential elections.

    8. “The alarms have already gone off in the Democratic grass roots,” said Robert Zimmerman, a member of the Democratic National Committee from New York,...
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    Now for the real question:

    Is there enough 'schadenfreude' to go around????
     
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    Old news. Three months ago most DNC supporters were thinking Obama's only real shot at re-election was for Bachmann or Palin to be top of ticket. I haven't heard anyone say differently in a long while.

    If Romney carries the nomination, Obama is done. If it's Perry, he might still have a shot, but it's a long one.

    Before the GOP gets too excited though, the last few "permanent sea changes" have lasted 6 years and four years respectively. Folks are in a very strong anti incumbent mind set and I don't see that changing soon. The GOP's shot at power could end pretty fast if they aren't able to fix things either.
     
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    Romney's just a bit stronger then Perry. And both are very weak.
     
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    "...might still have a shot..."


    So...waddaya think...should I break out the party hats and 'fridge the champagne?
     
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    Puppy...did you use the word 'weak' without the name 'Obama'??

    Aren't the two irrevocably and ineluctably united??
     
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    Epiphany is good, but it were better if they were on the road to Damascus.
     
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    They both raised their hands during that ridiculous tax question. Eventually in the general they have to come back to that. Bankrupting the government is not what most people want to see..and eventually those Bush tax cuts have to go bye bye.
     
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    I had to laugh at this one comment coming out of the article:

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    So what do we have--3 former governors--1 CEO--a senator a congressmen/woman with several years under their belts and a former house speaker--and they refer to them as inexperienced when we have a "community organizer" running this country right now--who is in soooo deep over his head that his lack of experience is showing more and more every single day he's in the oval office-:lol:
     
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    Are you planning to celebrate a GOP victory? Then you're almost there.

    I'll go deeper into why Obama may have a (long) shot against Perry:

    1. Perry's Record isn't so great once you start digging. Texas is actually in pretty poor shape this year. On top of that, a lot of Perry's success has to do with the fact that Texas has a lot of advantages your average state doesn't have.
    Why it doesn't matter: Your average voter, or reporter these days, isn't going to dig very deep into the fact that Perry has had almost 10-1 ratio of good years to bad years. And if this year isn't so great, so what? Everyone is struggling everywhere.

    2. Perry and Bush: Perry has a lot of eerie parallels to Bush. And it isn't just policy, platform, or history. It's subtle things like mannerisms and speech patterns that even the most ill informed voter will pick up on.
    Why it doesn't matter: After the last 4 years, people are actually starting to look back at Bush's tenure as President kinda fondly. And really, given Bush versus Obama, which is the center more likely to vote for now?

    3. Perry is prone to "awkward statements".
    Why it doesn't matter: 57 States. Nuc-u-ler. We're actually pretty forgiving on awkward statements. If anything, we find them enduring.

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that unless the GOP picks Bachmann or Palin, or Perry REALLY screws up, Obama is probably going to lose this one.
     
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    Can I quote you on that on 11/8/12?
     

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