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None of our founding fathers said the pledge of alliegance.
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teapartysamurai
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Imagine how unamerican they were.
They didn't have Obamacare either, so that must mean that's unAmerican as well!
You lose!
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Interesting what some people see as 'politics'.
Why not just put it in the flame zone so the mods don't have so much crap to deal with?
Why not just put it in the flame zone so the mods don't have so much crap to deal with?
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The pledge of alliegance did not exist until about 1892 I believe.
How could you be an american before that?
Ohh and btw thanks for the neg rep. It shows I am on the right track.
What it shows is you were losing big time in the other thread, so you fled to try and start another childish thread here!
LOSER!
The Infidel
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The pledge of alliegance did not exist until about 1892 I believe.
How could you be an american before that?
Ohh and btw thanks for the neg rep. It shows I am on the right track.
Your welcome troll....
Good point uscitizen 
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The pledge of alliegance did not exist until about 1892 I believe.
How could you be an american before that?
Ohh and btw thanks for the neg rep. It shows I am on the right track.
What it shows is you were losing big time in the other thread, so you fled to try and start another childish thread here!
LOSER!
Ohh so I should do like you and quit and declare victory?
Naah, too much fun yanking fools chains.
Well since the pledge of allegiance didn't exist yet, I think there is a very good possibility that they didn't say it.
I also hear they didn't use email.
I also hear they didn't use email.
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this is an educational thread. Most americans believe we have always had the pledge.
Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).
Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex.
The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth's Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader's Digest of its day. Its owner and editor, Daniel Ford, had hired Francis in 1891 as his assistant when Francis was pressured into leaving his baptist church in Boston because of his socialist sermons. As a member of his congregation, Ford had enjoyed Francis's sermons. Ford later founded the liberal and often controversial Ford Hall Forum, located in downtown Boston.
In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'
His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]
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Dr. Mortimer Adler, American philosopher and last living founder of the Great Books program at Saint John's College, has analyzed these ideas in his book, The Six Great Ideas. He argues that the three great ideas of the American political tradition are 'equality, liberty and justice for all.' 'Justice' mediates between the often conflicting goals of 'liberty' and 'equality.'
In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference, under the 'leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge's words, 'my Flag,' to 'the Flag of the United States of America.' Bellamy disliked this change, but his protest was ignored.
In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.
The Pledge of Allegiance - A Short History
Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).
Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex.
The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth's Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader's Digest of its day. Its owner and editor, Daniel Ford, had hired Francis in 1891 as his assistant when Francis was pressured into leaving his baptist church in Boston because of his socialist sermons. As a member of his congregation, Ford had enjoyed Francis's sermons. Ford later founded the liberal and often controversial Ford Hall Forum, located in downtown Boston.
In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'
His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]
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Dr. Mortimer Adler, American philosopher and last living founder of the Great Books program at Saint John's College, has analyzed these ideas in his book, The Six Great Ideas. He argues that the three great ideas of the American political tradition are 'equality, liberty and justice for all.' 'Justice' mediates between the often conflicting goals of 'liberty' and 'equality.'
In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference, under the 'leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge's words, 'my Flag,' to 'the Flag of the United States of America.' Bellamy disliked this change, but his protest was ignored.
In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.
The Pledge of Allegiance - A Short History
I'm confused....what is the point of this thread again?
Imagine how unamerican they were.
You idiot. Every signer of the Declaration Of Independence pledged his life, fortune, and sacred honor.
Go read that document some time? You are very lame for even stating what you did.
Imagine how unamerican they were.
You idiot. Every signer of the Declaration Of Independence pledged his life, fortune, and sacred honor.
Go read that document some time? You are very lame for even stating what you did.
They had to. If they lost, the British would have had them hung for treason. Signing it was an all or nothing affair.
I'm confused....what is the point of this thread again?
Just usc being a typical Statist jackleg.
and yet they did this,,,
The Congress....Desirous...to have people of all ranks and degrees duly impressed with a solemn sense of God's superintending providence, and of their duty, devoutly to rely...on His aid and direction...Do earnestly recommend Friday, the 17th day of May be observed by the colonies as a day of humiliation, fasting, and prayer; that we may, with united hearts, confess and bewailed our manifold sins and transgressions, and, by sincere repentance and amendment of life, appease God's righteous displeasure, and, through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ, obtain this pardon and forgiveness.
and this...
The use of the Bible is so universal and its importance so great that your committee refers the above to the consideration of Congress, and if Congress shall not think it expedient to order the importation of types and paper, the Committee recommends that Congress will order the Committee of Commerce to import 20,000 Bibles from Holland, Scotland, or elsewhere, into the different parts of the States of the Union.
Whereupon it was resolved accordingly to direct said Committee of Commerce to import 20,000 copies of the Bible.
One Nation Under God: The Continental Congress
While it's true there was no so called pledge of allegiance during the time of the founding fathers and it did not come about to around 1892, and was later revised.
Loyalty oaths have played a role in American history since the settlement of the colonies. The Puritans in New England required citizens to pledge their support of the commonwealth and to report any individuals who advocated dissent against the government. To ensure unity the CONTINENTAL CONGRESS and the legislatures of the first states all enacted laws requiring citizens to pledge their allegiance to the U.S. government.
Loyalty Oath - Further Readings - Government, Court, Required, Oaths, Freedom, and Public
You really need look no further than the oath of office, perhaps or the oath a naval officer takes and has taken throughout this nations hirtory to understand that the concept of the pledge is nothing new. So all that being said, I'm frankly not sure what the point here of the author of this thread is trying to say, as the founding fathers would have been very familier with a loyality oath like the pledge and there is a lot of history in such oaths to support that.
The Congress....Desirous...to have people of all ranks and degrees duly impressed with a solemn sense of God's superintending providence, and of their duty, devoutly to rely...on His aid and direction...Do earnestly recommend Friday, the 17th day of May be observed by the colonies as a day of humiliation, fasting, and prayer; that we may, with united hearts, confess and bewailed our manifold sins and transgressions, and, by sincere repentance and amendment of life, appease God's righteous displeasure, and, through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ, obtain this pardon and forgiveness.
and this...
The use of the Bible is so universal and its importance so great that your committee refers the above to the consideration of Congress, and if Congress shall not think it expedient to order the importation of types and paper, the Committee recommends that Congress will order the Committee of Commerce to import 20,000 Bibles from Holland, Scotland, or elsewhere, into the different parts of the States of the Union.
Whereupon it was resolved accordingly to direct said Committee of Commerce to import 20,000 copies of the Bible.
One Nation Under God: The Continental Congress
While it's true there was no so called pledge of allegiance during the time of the founding fathers and it did not come about to around 1892, and was later revised.
Loyalty oaths have played a role in American history since the settlement of the colonies. The Puritans in New England required citizens to pledge their support of the commonwealth and to report any individuals who advocated dissent against the government. To ensure unity the CONTINENTAL CONGRESS and the legislatures of the first states all enacted laws requiring citizens to pledge their allegiance to the U.S. government.
Loyalty Oath - Further Readings - Government, Court, Required, Oaths, Freedom, and Public
You really need look no further than the oath of office, perhaps or the oath a naval officer takes and has taken throughout this nations hirtory to understand that the concept of the pledge is nothing new. So all that being said, I'm frankly not sure what the point here of the author of this thread is trying to say, as the founding fathers would have been very familier with a loyality oath like the pledge and there is a lot of history in such oaths to support that.
Imagine how unamerican they were.
You idiot. Every signer of the Declaration Of Independence pledged his life, fortune, and sacred honor.
Go read that document some time? You are very lame for even stating what you did.
They had to. If they lost, the British would have had them hung for treason. Signing it was an all or nothing affair.
That is quite correct. And what they pledged was also reflected in their writings and with the ratification of the Constitution, and their stance on limited Government for the liberty of the individual. And as a matter of course? The Pledge of allegiance also reflects that spirit. So many in this country don't know what you stated either.
History is lost upon them.
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