No Apology about Nuking Mecca

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    Tancredo: No apology
    He believes bombing of Muslim holy sites has been discussed

    By M.E. Sprengelmeyer, Rocky Mountain News
    July 19, 2005

    WASHINGTON - The remarks were hypothetical but the outrage was real.

    Facing mounting criticism, Rep. Tom Tancredo on Monday refused to apologize for suggesting the United States could target Muslim holy sites if radical Islamic terrorists set off multiple nuclear attacks in American cities.

    "It's a tough issue to deal with," Tancredo told reporters at a Capitol Hill news conference. "Tough things are said. And we should not shy away from saying things that need to be said."

    Tancredo is known for his fiery rhetoric on immigration and other issues, but his words are coming under more scrutiny because he has started traveling to test the waters for a possible presidential candidacy in 2008.

    A spokeswoman for House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi called Tancredo's remarks irresponsible.

    "They do nothing to advance our national security and protect Americans from terrorists," Pelosi spokeswoman Jennifer Crider said.

    The Council on American-Islamic Relations, which calls itself the largest Islamic civil rights group in the United States, demanded an apology Monday, after the Rocky Mountain News published an account of his Friday interview with WFLA radio in Florida.

    In the interview, talk show host Pat Campbell asked Tancredo what the United States should do if terrorists were to strike several U.S. cities with nuclear weapons.

    "Well, what if you said something like - if this happens in the United States, and we determine that it is the result of extremist, fundamentalist Muslims, you know, you could take out their holy sites," Tancredo answered.

    "You're talking about bombing Mecca," Campbell said.

    "Yeah," Tancredo responded.

    He went on to say that he was "just throwing out some ideas" but that an "ultimate threat" might have to be met with an "ultimate response."

    Tancredo later said he was not advocating such a response, but merely discussing what could happen in a hypothetical situation.

    "I was talking about what we could maybe do as a preventative," Tancredo said. "I simply throw that out there as a thing to think about, although it is horrendous to think about. So is having one or more cities destroyed in the United States."

    CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper called Tancredo's remarks irresponsible, inflammatory and "unworthy of an elected official."

    "These kinds of . . . comments just serve to fuel negative perceptions of the United States in the Muslim world that create a downward spiral of hostility," Hooper said.

    "He needs to go far beyond a clarification and apologize, not only to the people of Colorado, but to the American-Muslim community."

    Tancredo rejected the idea of apologizing at his news conference, where the controversy overshadowed the topic he wanted to address, his introduction of comprehensive immigration reform legislation. His bill would create a limited guest worker plan for immigrants but only after beefing up border security.

    Last week in Iowa, home of the nation's first presidential caucuses, he pressed his immigration reform agenda to members of the Christian Coalition. At each stop, he also spoke briefly about what he sees as a clash of civilizations and war against "radical Islam."

    Hooper said it was a "quantum leap" for Tancredo to go a step further and suggest destroying Muslim holy sites that are at the center of a faith for one-fifth of the world's people.

    "Unfortunately, there's a veritable cottage industry of anti-Muslim rhetoric now in our society, and it seems to be growing," Hooper said. "I don't know where it's taking us, because if people really do believe we're in conflict with the faith of Islam, what does that mean? What are the implications of that? Unending civilizational and religious war? It's too much to contemplate."

    In an interview, Tancredo said he did not intend to offend moderate Muslims, whom he calls the "best hope" of bringing terrorists to justice.

    "When we bombed Hiroshima, when we bombed Dresden, we punished a lot of people who were not necessarily (guilty)," Tancredo said. "Not every German was a member of the Nazi Party. You do things in war that are ugly."

    He stressed that he was not advocating an attack on Islamic holy sites, but that counterattacks had to be considered - and perhaps telegraphed ahead of time. That way, he said, both sides would know the stakes under a worst-case scenario, much as they did under the Cold War theory of "mutually assured destruction."

    Tancredo believes government officials already have considered such a scenario.

    "Do they think, honestly, if I never said that, it wouldn't be contemplated?" Tancredo said. "Of course, things are contemplated, and I certainly wouldn't be the only one. Not saying it does not mean it doesn't exist in the minds of people."

    Late Monday, CAIR officials said they were trying to arrange a meeting between Tancredo and Colorado Muslim leaders. Tancredo spokesman Will Adams said he had not received the invitation but that the congressman would be willing to meet with moderate Muslims.

    Proposed immigration legislation

    Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., on Monday proposed comprehensive immigration reform legislation that's intended as an alternative to other proposed guest worker proposals pending in Congress. Tancredo admits that it's "highly improbable" that his version will be approved in its entirety, but he hopes key provisions are included in legislation the U.S. House could consider this fall. The following are some elements of Tancredo's bill:

    • Increases number of Border Patrol agents.

    • Toughens enforcement against businesses that hire illegal immigrants.

    • Makes it a felony to be in the country illegally, punishable by fines, imprisonment and forfeiture of assets.

    • Creates a temporary guest worker plan, but only after the president certifies that border security goals have been met. If so, foreign workers would be certified in advance and could be in the country 365 days every two years. They could not bring families.

    • Children born to guest workers would not be U.S. citizens unless one parent is American.


    http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3937059,00.html
     
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    Good lord this country is full of whiney bitches. The guy said NOTHING wrong. He was discussing OPTIONS - not advocating a course of action.

    Geeesh...sometimes, I try not to...but sometimes i hate people. :(
     
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    I like my Congressman. Tancredo has huge cajones. And he has made it clear to me during the caucuses that he understands the border issue. He is against illegal immigration and for legal immigration with checks. He is for closing the border. This was before it became popular with some of the politicians and for him it isn't just "poli-speak".

    In this case he was answering a question about what we could do if we found out about a plot like this, he was discussing one option not advocating this as a position of the US. (Nuclear attack on NYC, Miami, LA, Chicago, Houston, Las Vegas).
     
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    Edited - to simply reply, it's not necessary to quote the whole article. :D
    (yeah yeah...I agree as if I am the only one who did in a rush!)

    If Tom were in my state I would vote for him...hope he runs as the GOP presidential candidate next time around...gotta like a guy who calls them as he sees them rather than being self destructive PC....!
     
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    Is Tancredo the great conservative hope? He sure talks like one.
     
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    Well, it's not a realistic option, unless you were willing to follow up with much more extreme measures. So why even say it?

    If New York City is nuked, we aren't going to nuke Mecca. That's just not going to happen.

    Neither is threatening to nuke Mecca if New York City is nuked going to dissuade terrorists from doing so. It may even encourage them. They'd sacrifice their Kabaa if it gave them the civilizational war they were looking for. And it would.

    If we were going to nuke Mecca, that would have to be followed by the annhilation of everything from Algeria to Indonesia, and the rounding up and execution of every Moslem in this country.

    Does anyone really think that's going to happen?
     
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    And that'd be a problem how??? :D
     
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    I don't think it would happen, but the Muslims consider Mecca holy and untouchable. If we were to nuke it, wouldn't that ruin their entire conception?
     
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    That whole freedom of religion thing... you know! :)
     
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    yeah, but if we did it, that would gurantee us, at least, freedom FROM religion! their religion. :teeth:
     

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