Nine Months Later, Trump’s Iran-Deal Withdrawal Is a Clear Success

[beagle9]

misleading assessments by US intelligence agencies? I thought that was unpossible

knees bent all over the place on this one

Nine Months Later, Trump’s Iran-Deal Withdrawal Is a Clear Success

quote:
Europe is coming to acknowledge and act on the nuclear threat posed by Tehran.

Despite howls of protest by the Left, the foreign-policy establishment, and European leaders, and contrary to misleading assessments by U.S. intelligence agencies, it is now clear that President Trump’s decision last May to withdraw the United States from the controversial 2015 nuclear deal with Iran (the JCPOA) was the right call and is a huge policy success.

Trump’s JCPOA withdrawal did not lead to war with Iran, as many critics predicted. Instead, Iran is far more isolated than it was when President Trump assumed office. The United States has worked to unite its Middle East allies, especially Israel and Saudi Arabia, against Iran and, in Warsaw this month, will co-chair an international conference with Poland on the threat from Iran. Iran’s economy is under unprecedented pressure thanks to reimposed U.S. sanctions, especially oil sanctions, with negative 1.5 percent growth in 2018 and an expected negative 3.6 percent growth in 2019. Iran’s current year-on-year inflation rate through last month was 40 percent.

Some Trump critics predicted that any effort by the president to reimpose U.S. sanctions lifted by the JCPOA would have little effect, since other parties to the agreement — in particular the EU, Germany, France, and the U.K. — would not follow suit. But numerous European companies have resisted pressure from their governments to defy reimposed U.S. sanctions. On January 31, European leaders announced a special finance facility to help European firms skirt U.S. sanctions on Iran, but that initiative is months behind schedule and few experts believe it will work.

They still have their nuke program. And now they have zero reason to not develop a weapon as quickly as humanly possible. Iran still supports terrorists around the globe and no reason to stop doing so.

There is no policy success associated with our withdraw from the agreement.

I

The success is no war with Iran as the OP states, and no weapon's of mass destruction to date, Iran isolated with little to no growth, it's people now in rebellion mode, and Israel breathing a little bit easier these days. We could go on, but you get the point right ?

If no war with Iran is the measure of success then Obama's policy was just as successful. As was Bush II and Clinton and Bush I and...

Appeasement is never a recipe for success.

It always comes back at a later date to bite us in the ace.

So, you are saying we should be at war with Iran?

If an enemy of our country wants war with us, then we shall abide by that want if they act, but as the old saying goes, they best becareful what they ask for, because they just might get it, then what ??

No Fear !!!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

If an enemy of our country wants war with us, then we shall abide by that want if they act, but as the old saying goes, they best becareful what they ask for, because they just might get it, then what ??

No Fear !!!

Have they attacked us? have they done anything more than talk trash?

 

[H B Lowrie]

misleading assessments by US intelligence agencies? I thought that was unpossible

knees bent all over the place on this one

Nine Months Later, Trump’s Iran-Deal Withdrawal Is a Clear Success

quote:
Europe is coming to acknowledge and act on the nuclear threat posed by Tehran.

Despite howls of protest by the Left, the foreign-policy establishment, and European leaders, and contrary to misleading assessments by U.S. intelligence agencies, it is now clear that President Trump’s decision last May to withdraw the United States from the controversial 2015 nuclear deal with Iran (the JCPOA) was the right call and is a huge policy success.

Trump’s JCPOA withdrawal did not lead to war with Iran, as many critics predicted. Instead, Iran is far more isolated than it was when President Trump assumed office. The United States has worked to unite its Middle East allies, especially Israel and Saudi Arabia, against Iran and, in Warsaw this month, will co-chair an international conference with Poland on the threat from Iran. Iran’s economy is under unprecedented pressure thanks to reimposed U.S. sanctions, especially oil sanctions, with negative 1.5 percent growth in 2018 and an expected negative 3.6 percent growth in 2019. Iran’s current year-on-year inflation rate through last month was 40 percent.

Some Trump critics predicted that any effort by the president to reimpose U.S. sanctions lifted by the JCPOA would have little effect, since other parties to the agreement — in particular the EU, Germany, France, and the U.K. — would not follow suit. But numerous European companies have resisted pressure from their governments to defy reimposed U.S. sanctions. On January 31, European leaders announced a special finance facility to help European firms skirt U.S. sanctions on Iran, but that initiative is months behind schedule and few experts believe it will work.

They still have their nuke program. And now they have zero reason to not develop a weapon as quickly as humanly possible. Iran still supports terrorists around the globe and no reason to stop doing so.

There is no policy success associated with our withdraw from the agreement.

I

The success is no war with Iran as the OP states, and no weapon's of mass destruction to date, Iran isolated with little to no growth, it's people now in rebellion mode, and Israel breathing a little bit easier these days. We could go on, but you get the point right ?

Nah, we're not done with war in Iran. Watch.

 

[H B Lowrie]

They still have their nuke program. And now they have zero reason to not develop a weapon as quickly as humanly possible. Iran still supports terrorists around the globe and no reason to stop doing so.

There is no policy success associated with our withdraw from the agreement.

I

The success is no war with Iran as the OP states, and no weapon's of mass destruction to date, Iran isolated with little to no growth, it's people now in rebellion mode, and Israel breathing a little bit easier these days. We could go on, but you get the point right ?

If no war with Iran is the measure of success then Obama's policy was just as successful. As was Bush II and Clinton and Bush I and...

Appeasement is never a recipe for success.

It always comes back at a later date to bite us in the ace.

So, you are saying we should be at war with Iran?

If an enemy of our country wants war with us, then we shall abide by that want if they act, but as the old saying goes, they best becareful what they ask for, because they just might get it, then what ??

No Fear !!!

America wants endless global war and occupation. Look around pard, we can't get enough of it.

War without end
Amen
Amen

 

[beagle9]

If an enemy of our country wants war with us, then we shall abide by that want if they act, but as the old saying goes, they best becareful what they ask for, because they just might get it, then what ??

No Fear !!!

Have they attacked us? have they done anything more than talk trash?

Killing American's by proxy, yes they have attacked us many times, and it will continue.

Maybe the Americans they kill are the ones you disagree with, so are they doing the job for you by proxy ? Hmmmm.

 

[beagle9]

The success is no war with Iran as the OP states, and no weapon's of mass destruction to date, Iran isolated with little to no growth, it's people now in rebellion mode, and Israel breathing a little bit easier these days. We could go on, but you get the point right ?

If no war with Iran is the measure of success then Obama's policy was just as successful. As was Bush II and Clinton and Bush I and...

Appeasement is never a recipe for success.

It always comes back at a later date to bite us in the ace.

So, you are saying we should be at war with Iran?

If an enemy of our country wants war with us, then we shall abide by that want if they act, but as the old saying goes, they best becareful what they ask for, because they just might get it, then what ??

No Fear !!!

America wants endless global war and occupation. Look around pard, we can't get enough of it.

War without end
Amen
Amen

Oh so you think this country just loves sending our son's and daughters off to die for no reason eh ??

 

[Lesh]

If no war with Iran is the measure of success then Obama's policy was just as successful. As was Bush II and Clinton and Bush I and...

Appeasement is never a recipe for success.

It always comes back at a later date to bite us in the ace.

So, you are saying we should be at war with Iran?

If an enemy of our country wants war with us, then we shall abide by that want if they act, but as the old saying goes, they best becareful what they ask for, because they just might get it, then what ??

No Fear !!!

America wants endless global war and occupation. Look around pard, we can't get enough of it.

War without end
Amen
Amen

Oh so you think this country just loves sending our son's and daughters off to die for no reason eh ??

Some do. Yes

 

[Harpy Eagle]

If no war with Iran is the measure of success then Obama's policy was just as successful. As was Bush II and Clinton and Bush I and...

Appeasement is never a recipe for success.

It always comes back at a later date to bite us in the ace.

So, you are saying we should be at war with Iran?

If an enemy of our country wants war with us, then we shall abide by that want if they act, but as the old saying goes, they best becareful what they ask for, because they just might get it, then what ??

No Fear !!!

America wants endless global war and occupation. Look around pard, we can't get enough of it.

War without end
Amen
Amen

Oh so you think this country just loves sending our son's and daughters off to die for no reason eh ??

The country does not, but our elected officials sure do.

 

[H B Lowrie]

If no war with Iran is the measure of success then Obama's policy was just as successful. As was Bush II and Clinton and Bush I and...

Appeasement is never a recipe for success.

It always comes back at a later date to bite us in the ace.

So, you are saying we should be at war with Iran?

If an enemy of our country wants war with us, then we shall abide by that want if they act, but as the old saying goes, they best becareful what they ask for, because they just might get it, then what ??

No Fear !!!

America wants endless global war and occupation. Look around pard, we can't get enough of it.

War without end
Amen
Amen

Oh so you think this country just loves sending our son's and daughters off to die for no reason eh ??

Yup, but not for no reason, to plunder and rule like empires do.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Killing American's by proxy, yes they have attacked us many times, and it will continue.

Maybe the Americans they kill are the ones you disagree with, so are they doing the job for you by proxy ? Hmmmm.

How do you kill someone by "proxy".

 

[candycorn]

misleading assessments by US intelligence agencies? I thought that was unpossible

knees bent all over the place on this one

Nine Months Later, Trump’s Iran-Deal Withdrawal Is a Clear Success

quote:
Europe is coming to acknowledge and act on the nuclear threat posed by Tehran.

Despite howls of protest by the Left, the foreign-policy establishment, and European leaders, and contrary to misleading assessments by U.S. intelligence agencies, it is now clear that President Trump’s decision last May to withdraw the United States from the controversial 2015 nuclear deal with Iran (the JCPOA) was the right call and is a huge policy success.

Trump’s JCPOA withdrawal did not lead to war with Iran, as many critics predicted. Instead, Iran is far more isolated than it was when President Trump assumed office. The United States has worked to unite its Middle East allies, especially Israel and Saudi Arabia, against Iran and, in Warsaw this month, will co-chair an international conference with Poland on the threat from Iran. Iran’s economy is under unprecedented pressure thanks to reimposed U.S. sanctions, especially oil sanctions, with negative 1.5 percent growth in 2018 and an expected negative 3.6 percent growth in 2019. Iran’s current year-on-year inflation rate through last month was 40 percent.

Some Trump critics predicted that any effort by the president to reimpose U.S. sanctions lifted by the JCPOA would have little effect, since other parties to the agreement — in particular the EU, Germany, France, and the U.K. — would not follow suit. But numerous European companies have resisted pressure from their governments to defy reimposed U.S. sanctions. On January 31, European leaders announced a special finance facility to help European firms skirt U.S. sanctions on Iran, but that initiative is months behind schedule and few experts believe it will work.

They still have their nuke program. And now they have zero reason to not develop a weapon as quickly as humanly possible. Iran still supports terrorists around the globe and no reason to stop doing so.

There is no policy success associated with our withdraw from the agreement.

I

They still have their nuke program, great point supporting why the Iran deal was a bad deal.

I guess I'll try to reason with a Trump supporter although I should know better but here it goes:

Okay... in 1983 we invaded Greneda. In 1989 we invaded panama. In 1992, we invaded Iraq and did so again in 2003. What did all of these nations have in common (along with Korea in the 50's and Viet Nam in the 50's and 60's, Bosnia in the 90s and Syria in the 2010's). They didn't have a nuke and none of these locations were of a threat to our national interest.

Given this history...do you think that any nation on our bad side would give up their nukes? I mean, if you were Iran...would there be any scenario where you would have given up your nuclear program? Of course not.

Would the same people who supported the Iran deal which allowed Iran to keep their nuke program hold the same view if TRUMP were to agree to a deal with North Korea allowing them to keep their nuke program?

The end result in both cases is this: We are either going to invade or they are going to have a nuke missile. This is why the North Koreans are doing nothing to dismantle their operation.

But since you brought up North Korea, it's instructive why the Iran Nuke Deal was a good idea. A nation that has no money, no intellectual capital and very few resources has built a robust nuke program. Iran, a nation with mad cash, intellectual capital and very wealthy friends was going to have a nuke if they wanted to develop one regardless of the West wanting them to do so or not. So it's probably a better idea to get them to agree to some guidelines or boundaries instead of tearing up the deal and stomping our feet. We tore up the deal, stomped our feet and now they have no reason to not pursue as many weapons as possible. They see it as the one thing that will keep the US from invading...because it IS the one thing that has kept the US from invading other nations that we've had major disagreements with.

It doesn't make us the bad guy and doesn't make them the good guy; but it is the political realities of our past and their present.

Moore good points supporting why TRUMP shouldn't listen to the "geniuses" who supported the US invading other countries regarding the Iran deal.

A very child-like assessment on your part. If you’re going to get into the ring with someone, knowing their capabilities is probably a good idea. What walking away from the agreement does is rob you of knowing that, knowing he locations of their centrifuges (or possibly knowing), knowing how much fissionable material they may have so you could know how many nukes they may be building.

It’s pretty indicative of his presidency and his supporters; you guys think that if you ignore bad news, it doesn’t exist.

 

[beagle9]

Appeasement is never a recipe for success.

It always comes back at a later date to bite us in the ace.

So, you are saying we should be at war with Iran?

If an enemy of our country wants war with us, then we shall abide by that want if they act, but as the old saying goes, they best becareful what they ask for, because they just might get it, then what ??

No Fear !!!

America wants endless global war and occupation. Look around pard, we can't get enough of it.

War without end
Amen
Amen

Oh so you think this country just loves sending our son's and daughters off to die for no reason eh ??

The country does not, but our elected officials sure do.

So what you are saying is that the people have no recourse what so ever if find that our youth was sent off to die in war for nothing or no legitimate reason, and that our officials at any capacity would actually send our youth off to die for a no good self serving illegitimate reason ???

To conspiratorial for me. Yes I feel that the intent is just in the beginning, but as with anything we find that things can go very wrong after a while.

 

[H B Lowrie]

So, you are saying we should be at war with Iran?

If an enemy of our country wants war with us, then we shall abide by that want if they act, but as the old saying goes, they best becareful what they ask for, because they just might get it, then what ??

No Fear !!!

America wants endless global war and occupation. Look around pard, we can't get enough of it.

War without end
Amen
Amen

Oh so you think this country just loves sending our son's and daughters off to die for no reason eh ??

The country does not, but our elected officials sure do.

So what you are saying is that the people have no recourse what so ever if find that our youth was sent off to die in war for nothing or no legitimate reason, and that our officials at any capacity would actually send our youth off to die for a no good self serving legitimate reason ???

To conspiratorial for me. Yes I feel that the intent is just in the beginning, but as with anything we find that things can go very wrong after a while.

We have a history of it since WWII.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So, you are saying we should be at war with Iran?

If an enemy of our country wants war with us, then we shall abide by that want if they act, but as the old saying goes, they best becareful what they ask for, because they just might get it, then what ??

No Fear !!!

America wants endless global war and occupation. Look around pard, we can't get enough of it.

War without end
Amen
Amen

Oh so you think this country just loves sending our son's and daughters off to die for no reason eh ??

The country does not, but our elected officials sure do.

So what you are saying is that the people have no recourse what so ever if find that our youth was sent off to die in war for nothing or no legitimate reason, and that our officials at any capacity would actually send our youth off to die for a no good self serving legitimate reason ???

To conspiratorial for me. Yes I feel that the intent is just in the beginning, but as with anything we find that things can go very wrong after a while.

Were you not alive for the invasion of Iraq? The American people were sold a bill of goods for a war that had no real purpose.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

 

[beagle9]

Killing American's by proxy, yes they have attacked us many times, and it will continue.

Maybe the Americans they kill are the ones you disagree with, so are they doing the job for you by proxy ? Hmmmm.

How do you kill someone by "proxy".

Iran would have say another group kill their enemy in order to not have the blood on their hands when the charge is brought against those who done the dirty deed for them (i.e. by proxy).

 

[H B Lowrie]

If an enemy of our country wants war with us, then we shall abide by that want if they act, but as the old saying goes, they best becareful what they ask for, because they just might get it, then what ??

No Fear !!!

America wants endless global war and occupation. Look around pard, we can't get enough of it.

War without end
Amen
Amen

Oh so you think this country just loves sending our son's and daughters off to die for no reason eh ??

The country does not, but our elected officials sure do.

So what you are saying is that the people have no recourse what so ever if find that our youth was sent off to die in war for nothing or no legitimate reason, and that our officials at any capacity would actually send our youth off to die for a no good self serving legitimate reason ???

To conspiratorial for me. Yes I feel that the intent is just in the beginning, but as with anything we find that things can go very wrong after a while.

Were you not alive for the invasion of Iraq? The American people were sold a bill of goods for a war that had no real purpose.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

Oh it had a purpose, just not one in any way connected to defense or safety.

 

[H B Lowrie]

Killing American's by proxy, yes they have attacked us many times, and it will continue.

Maybe the Americans they kill are the ones you disagree with, so are they doing the job for you by proxy ? Hmmmm.

How do you kill someone by "proxy".

Iran would have say another group kill their enemy in order to not have the blood on their hands when the charge is brought against those who done the dirty deed for them (i.e. by proxy).

So then, like we have partnered with Saddam, Osama, al Qaida, al Nusra, ISIS, the public square beheading journalist liquifying Saudis, the genocidal Israelis or neoNazis in the Ukraine then?

 

[beagle9]

If an enemy of our country wants war with us, then we shall abide by that want if they act, but as the old saying goes, they best becareful what they ask for, because they just might get it, then what ??

No Fear !!!

America wants endless global war and occupation. Look around pard, we can't get enough of it.

War without end
Amen
Amen

Oh so you think this country just loves sending our son's and daughters off to die for no reason eh ??

The country does not, but our elected officials sure do.

So what you are saying is that the people have no recourse what so ever if find that our youth was sent off to die in war for nothing or no legitimate reason, and that our officials at any capacity would actually send our youth off to die for a no good self serving legitimate reason ???

To conspiratorial for me. Yes I feel that the intent is just in the beginning, but as with anything we find that things can go very wrong after a while.

We have a history of it since WWII.

Have a history of what ? Allowing our own citizens within to undermine our missions abroad like what happened during the veitnam war, and the same with many situations afterwards ? Yes we do have a history of our own citizens undermining our missions abroad, and this has made winning wars with minimal loss of American's lives almost impossible.

 

[beagle9]

Killing American's by proxy, yes they have attacked us many times, and it will continue.

Maybe the Americans they kill are the ones you disagree with, so are they doing the job for you by proxy ? Hmmmm.

How do you kill someone by "proxy".

Iran would have say another group kill their enemy in order to not have the blood on their hands when the charge is brought against those who done the dirty deed for them (i.e. by proxy).

So then, like we have partnered with Saddam, Osama, al Qaida, al Nusra, ISIS, the public square beheading journalist liquifying Saudis, the genocidal Israelis or neoNazis in the Ukraine then?

As it is with anything, to achieve our goals at various times, we have had to use those for whom we detest, but realized that they are or were instrumental in getting us to the directive or goal that would give us a better positioning in getting at the real more dangerous threats to this worlds security.

Can't stomach the action, then don't get in on the meal.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

As it is with anything, to achieve our goals at various times, we have had to use those for whom we detest, but realized that they are or were instrumental in getting us to the directive or goal that would give us a better positioning in getting at the real more dangerous threats to this worlds security.

Can't stomach the action, then don't get in on the meal.

So, did you ever serve in the military?