Newsweek and the Desecration of the Koran

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    While the desecration of anything which is sacred to another is inherently wrong, I tend to believe the initial version of the Newsweek story on the desecration of the Koran at GITMO.

    Why...? Quite simple. In US prisons, it is common practice for guards to go into an inmates cell while they are seeing a visitor or otherwise out of their cell and toss the cell. They will then throw whatever the inmate holds most dear, be it a family photo, prayer beads, a Bible, A Koran...in the toilet. So it would not surprise me that a common tactic used to break prisoners here in the US would be used in attempting to break detainees being interrogated at GITMO, Abu-Ghraib, or any of the other unknown and unnamed US detention facilities around the world.

    It would not require any great stretch of the imagination to think that the administration put pressure on the editorial board at Newsweek to quash the story and discredit their source. Given the Bush administration's penchant for secrecy and aversion to the truth, it is very likely the case.

    Here are sources documenting such activities which were released in 2004.

    <blockquote><a href=http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:cBAdCUQ2aOsJ:www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/docs/Gitmo-compositestatementFINAL23july04.pdf+attorneys+Guantanamo+Koran+pages+ripped&hl=en&client=safari>72.They were never given prayer mats and initially they didn’t get a Koran.</a> When the Korans were provided, they were kicked and thrown about by the guards and on occasion thrown in the buckets used for the toilets. This kept happening. When it happened it was always said to be an accident but it was a recurrent theme.

    74.Asif says that ‘it was impossible to pray because initially we did not know the direction to pray, but also given that we couldn’t move and the harassment rom the guards, it was simply not feasible. The behaviour of the guards towards our religious practices as well as the Koran was also, in my view, designed to cause us as much distress as possible. They would kick the Koran, throw it into the toilet and generally disrespect it. It is clear to me that he conditions in our cells and our general treatment were designed by the officers in charge of the interrogation process to “soften us up”’.</blockquote>

    <blockquote>Detainees also complained about the interference with their ability to pray and the lack of respect given to their religion. For example, the British detainees state that they were never given prayer mats and initially were not provided Korans. They also complained that when the Korans were provided, the guards “would kick the Koran, throw it into the toilet and generally disrespect it.” - <a href=http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/usa/gitmo1004/3.htm>Human Rights Watch</a>, October 2004</blockquote>

    These revelations are nothing new, they are simply being used to pressure media outlets, which question Administration policy, to toe the ideological line. Chairman of the JCS, <a href=http://usinfo.state.gov/usinfo/Archive/2005/May/12-273892.html?chanlid=washfile>General Richard Meyers</a>, stated that the riots in Afghanistan have more to do with the general dissatisfaction with the political process than anything else. So, this coincidental violence provides yet another opportunity for the Administration to force US media outlets to come to heel.
     
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    Then again, it could just be the detainees were lying:

    http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/manualpart1_4.pdf
     
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    Just to spice things up a bit.

    Let's say the guards did everything that Newsweek reported.

    So what. These are prisoners. Since when do prisoners get rights? They complain because they didn't get to pray? Or their copy of the Koran was thrown in the toilet?

    Again, THEY ARE PRISONERS! SINCE WHEN DO PRISONERS GET RIGHTS?

    Whoop-dee-do.
     
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    The detainees were lying?

    You don't really think that prisoners would lie about the conditions in which they are being kept?

    Gee whiz...I can't imagine that as a possibility.
     
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    And then again, maybe they weren't. Given what has happened at Abu Ghraib, and the abuses documented there and elsewhere...I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until enequivocal proof either way is presented.
     
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    They are guarranteed rights under US and international law and convention.
     
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    I'll give the guards the benefit of the doubt, UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, since the whackos have a plan that includes lying and there are rules that govern the guards.

    I guess it IS where one is coming from.
     
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    Again, maybe those "rights" should be changed.
     
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    So even though Newsweek itself came out and backtracked on that story, you still believe it? Wow... you are really drinking the anti-Bush Kool Aid.
     
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    First of all,to say that the Bush administration has anything to do with Newsweek squelching this story is ridiculous,and I think we all know that. The media in this country does and says what it wants,no matter the consequences,and are not going to be told what do do by any administration,especially the BUSH administration.

    Second,why is there such an uproar everytime there is an accusation about a Muslim's "rights" are supposedly being attacked. I wonder Bully,would you be so upset if they stomped n a Bible,or flushed it,or our prisoners weren't given one at all. Oh,that's right,our POW's aren't given one because they could give a shit about OUR rights. It has been said over and over ,that is not the usual enemy(I think they proved that when they started cutting heads off). These people,whining and crying about the Koran,would shoot and kill any of our troops without the blink of an eye and enjoy it. Why should I feel any sorrow for any of these prisoners even if the story is true? These people are nuts,and their behavior because of this accusation proves it. Now we should worry about their Koran after they have killed people during their riots,and want to kill innocents Americans,including children. I have no doubt that tactics such as these have gone on in probably every war,so why is this such a shock anyway?
     
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